Could this stump liberals? Did anti-white hate ever exist before Jewish influence?

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[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are under the mistaken assumption that stumping liberals is difficult, and that if only we could do it we could change their minds. The reality is that to the extent liberals profess to believe in woke ideology, it is only because they either want to push an agenda themselves(Jewish liberals), want to avoid being a target by opposing current woke orthodoxy(your average white NPC shitlib), or want social credit or career points by pushing this ideology and/or targeting those who oppose it(the most toxic form of liberal there is, the woke ideologue/grifter, like Robin Deangelo, vaush, destiny, Tim Wise, most white antifa, etc).

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tim Wise

I try to avoid as much as possible delving into motivations and the psychology underlying why people do what they do because at the end of the day it's just guessing and it bugs me when people apply it in a dishonest way to dismiss ideas. However I remember the day so clearly I realized Tim Wise was in that most toxic category of liberal you list. He was debating I think Jared Taylor and Taylor made a point we repeat a lot that racial solidarity is merely an extended form of familial solidarity and then he asked Wise whether he thought one should care about about their family more than their neighbours and why that meant that if he did he hated his neighbours. Wise actually responded without skipping a beat that he actually didn't believe it was ethical to care more for your family than a stranger. I was thunderstruck. No person believes this but because he's one of the utterly toxic ones who knows he's lying, likes to lie and will do anything to maintain his ridiculous worldview and the filthy lucre he makes from the system he can sit there without flinching saying the most insane things imaginable.

I can forgive an NPC and even someone who is just going along to get along in this system while accepting its dogmas. There's no punishment that's fitting for the last type you list though.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Link to Taylor vs. Wise debate?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think they've actually debated twice but I've no idea if they're still on YouTube. Just do a search for it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are under the mistaken assumption that stumping liberals is difficult, and that if only we could do it we could change their minds. The reality is that to the extent liberals profess to believe in woke ideology, it is only because they either want to push an agenda themselves(Jewish liberals), want to avoid being a target by opposing current woke orthodoxy(your average white NPC shitlib), or want social credit or career points by pushing this ideology and/or targeting those who oppose it(the most toxic form of liberal there is, the woke ideologue/grifter, like Robin Deangelo, vaush, destiny, Tim Wise, most white antifa, etc).

IMO, it's only religious people or debates on religion, who are reluctant to accept criticism of their faith, because it's tied with other punishments (i.e fear of eternal hellfire).

People who profess liberalism are still just like us. They went to the same schools, use the same internet, play the same games. The ideological split is because the school system told them that inequality and racism are evil, and they take offense at "how can you not want improve the world"?

You want proof of this? Look at Germany before the rise of Hitler. How come when Hitler came to power, he got millions of Germans to take race seriously and even fight with him to the bitter end in 1945? He still had to convince them, preferably with facts. Before Hitler, the same Germans who allied with him, had already been exposed to existing anti-german propaganda. Yet, they still managed to change for the better.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

he got millions of Germans to take race seriously and even fight with him to the bitter end in 1945?

No this is totally stupid. Those attitudes were already present in the German population in many forms. Hitler didn't suddenly convince early 20th century Germans that their ethnic group was suddenly important. That's absurd. People already knew that for the most part. Hitler's attitudes were largely the norm in Germany at the time.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No this is totally stupid. Those attitudes were already present in the German population in many forms. Hitler didn't suddenly convince early 20th century Germans that their ethnic group was suddenly important. That's absurd. People already knew that for the most part. Hitler's attitudes were largely the norm in Germany at the time.

Show me proof that the German government at the time would have enacted the same laws as the third reich? Or what did the resistance look like back then, since Socialists were also in parliament, and they would have done away with those beliefs similar to the USSR.