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[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are under the mistaken assumption that stumping liberals is difficult, and that if only we could do it we could change their minds. The reality is that to the extent liberals profess to believe in woke ideology, it is only because they either want to push an agenda themselves(Jewish liberals), want to avoid being a target by opposing current woke orthodoxy(your average white NPC shitlib), or want social credit or career points by pushing this ideology and/or targeting those who oppose it(the most toxic form of liberal there is, the woke ideologue/grifter, like Robin Deangelo, vaush, destiny, Tim Wise, most white antifa, etc).

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tim Wise

I try to avoid as much as possible delving into motivations and the psychology underlying why people do what they do because at the end of the day it's just guessing and it bugs me when people apply it in a dishonest way to dismiss ideas. However I remember the day so clearly I realized Tim Wise was in that most toxic category of liberal you list. He was debating I think Jared Taylor and Taylor made a point we repeat a lot that racial solidarity is merely an extended form of familial solidarity and then he asked Wise whether he thought one should care about about their family more than their neighbours and why that meant that if he did he hated his neighbours. Wise actually responded without skipping a beat that he actually didn't believe it was ethical to care more for your family than a stranger. I was thunderstruck. No person believes this but because he's one of the utterly toxic ones who knows he's lying, likes to lie and will do anything to maintain his ridiculous worldview and the filthy lucre he makes from the system he can sit there without flinching saying the most insane things imaginable.

I can forgive an NPC and even someone who is just going along to get along in this system while accepting its dogmas. There's no punishment that's fitting for the last type you list though.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Link to Taylor vs. Wise debate?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think they've actually debated twice but I've no idea if they're still on YouTube. Just do a search for it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are under the mistaken assumption that stumping liberals is difficult, and that if only we could do it we could change their minds. The reality is that to the extent liberals profess to believe in woke ideology, it is only because they either want to push an agenda themselves(Jewish liberals), want to avoid being a target by opposing current woke orthodoxy(your average white NPC shitlib), or want social credit or career points by pushing this ideology and/or targeting those who oppose it(the most toxic form of liberal there is, the woke ideologue/grifter, like Robin Deangelo, vaush, destiny, Tim Wise, most white antifa, etc).

IMO, it's only religious people or debates on religion, who are reluctant to accept criticism of their faith, because it's tied with other punishments (i.e fear of eternal hellfire).

People who profess liberalism are still just like us. They went to the same schools, use the same internet, play the same games. The ideological split is because the school system told them that inequality and racism are evil, and they take offense at "how can you not want improve the world"?

You want proof of this? Look at Germany before the rise of Hitler. How come when Hitler came to power, he got millions of Germans to take race seriously and even fight with him to the bitter end in 1945? He still had to convince them, preferably with facts. Before Hitler, the same Germans who allied with him, had already been exposed to existing anti-german propaganda. Yet, they still managed to change for the better.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

he got millions of Germans to take race seriously and even fight with him to the bitter end in 1945?

No this is totally stupid. Those attitudes were already present in the German population in many forms. Hitler didn't suddenly convince early 20th century Germans that their ethnic group was suddenly important. That's absurd. People already knew that for the most part. Hitler's attitudes were largely the norm in Germany at the time.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No this is totally stupid. Those attitudes were already present in the German population in many forms. Hitler didn't suddenly convince early 20th century Germans that their ethnic group was suddenly important. That's absurd. People already knew that for the most part. Hitler's attitudes were largely the norm in Germany at the time.

Show me proof that the German government at the time would have enacted the same laws as the third reich? Or what did the resistance look like back then, since Socialists were also in parliament, and they would have done away with those beliefs similar to the USSR.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

No it has existed without Jews. Abolitionist sentiment in America -- Emerson's quote about the cross and the gallows comes to mind -- often contained nascent anti-white sentiment and gleeful acceptance and even celebration of the coming Black revenge on Whites. Same with revolutionary attitudes towards the Haitian revolt. You could also say there's a definite hint of that fetishization of the 'other' in Rousseau that was planting a seed for the attitudes we see present today. Jews just do it more viciously and with greater zeal than many others have and also have the advantage of being 'one of us' when they make their clearly ethnically motivated attacks against us.

Also I don't believe in the effctiveness of this gotcha strategy when talking to liberals. There's not some perfect rhetorical trap you can use to 'win' them over because all belief systems are fundamentally pre-rational.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Also I don't believe in the effctiveness of this gotcha strategy when talking to liberals. There's not some perfect rhetorical trap you can use to 'win' them over because all belief systems are fundamentally pre-rational.

I've honestly never have been able to debate liberals in anything involving race or identity politics, as I largely just kept my mouth shut on the subjects until anti white discourse and Jewish censorship became so great that I felt compelled to finally speak out, and by then it was already too late, Jews were already slamming the door shut on free speech and internet discourse. So I have no idea how they would respond really other than call you a nazi, censor whatever you said and then threaten you.

I know hardcore lefties were actually quite open on the Jewish question, a lot more so than conservatives. I know this because I used to be one of the dipshits that would defend Jews and Israel while lefties were trashing them. Lefties were well aware of Jewish hypocrisy on a host of issues, and at that time were still allowed to discuss them to some degree. All that has changed now and the far left was already being censored and targeted by Jewish activists well before the far right. As I've said before, it was seeing this censorship happen in real time that helped awaken me to Jewish power.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it was seeing this censorship happen in real time that helped awaken me to Jewish power.

No small part for me in coming to terms with that issue as well given it's hard to honestly answer the question 'How does an allegedly marginalized, vulnerable and small minority have the power to destroy everyone who criticizes them?' without coming to the conclusion that the premises in the question are on shaky ground.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I defended Jews and Israel from other lefties because i thought they were like these nerds being bullied by the cool kids. I was totally clueless.

Once Trump got elected Jews showed their true power level and it was quite the wake up call.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Those Left-wingers call out Israeli hypocrisy, because they see Jews as being "foreign colonizers" and consider the Brown Muslim Palestinians to be their allies.

They're half way there, but they were never really antisemitic.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I dont know about that, a lot of them would openly talk about Jewish wealth and media influence as well as Jewish American warmongering. British and European lefties in particular. It was really only kosher brainwashed Americans lefties(like me) that would push back, and we would sometimes then be accused of being Jewish ourselves(In hindsight, most of the ones complaining about this "antisemtism" probably WERE Jewish lol).

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In hindsight, I realize a lot of anglosphere lefties were suprisingly based on the JQ. The Neocons had kind of stirred up a hornets nest when they dragged all these countries like the UK, NZ, and Australia into Iraq and the left in those countries had no illusions of who the neocons were and what they were about.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No it has existed without Jews. Anti-abolitionist sentiment in America -- Emerson's quote about the cross and the gallows comes to mind -- often contained nascent anti-white sentiment and gleeful acceptance and even celebration of the coming Black revenge on Whites. Same with revolutionary attitudes towards the Haitian revolt. You could also say there's a definite hint of that fetishization of the 'other' in Rousseau that was planting a seed for the attitudes we see present today. Jews just do it more viciously and with greater zeal than many others have and also have the advantage of being 'one of us' when they make their clearly ethnically motivated attacks against us.

I disagree that anti-abolition is tied to anti-white. Quite the opposite. Keeping a massive African population on the continent meant Brazilification would have been unavoidable. Abraham Lincoln was elected to end slavery, but he also wanted to send the slaves back to Africa.

In hindsight, those plans were never realized, but the alternative of keeping slavery around was not worth it either.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I meant to say 'abolitionist'. My bad I'll edit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Regardless though, see the rest of my point about the slave trade. Britain had outlawed slavery in its colonies, and even went to war with African Kingdoms to stop them from selling it to other Europeans.

From a 19th century perspective, being against slavery was more likely pro-white. Especially since industrialization was around the corner, and thus using pack mule Blacks was a way to slow down development and lower the cost of labor (sounds familiar? Illegal immigration is the exact same thing today. Yet which side supports massive 3rd world immigration? The left...)

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh 'regardless'?

Fuck it's pointless talking to you. I'll stop.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm confused what your point is?

I'm saying opposing the slave trade was about protecting white interests. Lincoln knew this, hence why he thought of moving them away from predominantly white areas and having them live in their own country.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Prominent Jewish organizations like the ADL have admitted, that whites becoming minorities in their own country and having no control over their own borders is considered "a good thing"

Where?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm trying to find the video where Tucker Carlson and the ADL had a spat, but it's surprisingly hard to find for some reason.

The closest I could find is this times of Israel article that critiques Carlson while defending the ADL. Especially this line:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-tucker-carlson-white-supremacists-have-eyes-on-israeli-immigration-policy/

Pro-Israel advocates say there’s a reason to differentiate between immigration policies in Israel and the United States. They note that Israel’s immigration system does privilege Jews, offering them automatic citizenship, because Israel was founded in part as a safe haven for Jews after centuries of lethal persecution. By contrast, the United States was founded, in theory, on the promise of equality for all. And unlike the Jews who founded Israel, white people in America are not a persecuted minority.