Why does Race & IQ differences make people angry, but Gender differences does not?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

The final nail in the coffin is the SAT scores. The smartest groups in America are Whites and Asians. The Richest Blacks are still dumber than even the poorest Whites.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

Evolution created these differences, and it had the biggest effect on our brains. We can even spot these differences, physically.

https://i.imgur.com/rRBwkcX.png

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders.

What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png PNG

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm sorry, but the actual data on genetic clustering shows you're wrong. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape. Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Skull shape and brain size https://i.ibb.co/6Wgdifferences.

The link you provided shows illustrations of skulls, not actual photos of skulls themselves, unlike the example given by radicalcentrist. They also dishonestly make the Indian and African skulls huge compared to the European skull.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape.

I didn't say that there's not differences in the means. Given a skull, a biological anthropologist with vernier calipers and a calculator could make a decent estimate of the race of the deceased. They wouldn't get it right 100% of the time though.

Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We never claimed that racial differences are 100%. We have only claimed that there are average differences between races that matter. It seems like you agree with this and are mostly concerned with the implications of racial dofferences.

Brain size actually correlates with IQ. Plus a bunch of reasons to think brain size effects intelligence. How do you explain homo sapien increases in intelligence over our ancestors if not for brain size?

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-and-iq/

Also, the Black/White IQ gap hasn't really changed much at all given the radical egalitarian changes and advantages blacks have been given, someone with your point of view should actually be shocked at how little the gap has changed.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/22/changes-in-the-american-black-white-iq-gap-1916-2016/

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

Lol, of course without any evidence to make this claim

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Neanderthal Brains: Bigger, Not Necessarily Better

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No evidence provided

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What?

Did you not follow the fucking link?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did, no evidence provided

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders. What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

Race gaps exist, even amongst the richest or most affluent people.

Even with all the diversity and affirmative action pushes, only Asians come 2nd place in total CEO's rankings. Then it's Hispanics and then Black CEO's rank last.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1097600/racial-and-ethnic-diversity-of-ceos-in-the-united-states/

It's the exact same pattern as the SAT chart I posted...

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's not America's fault that Blacks suck at both things. You want proof? Native Africa never even built Universities or Public Schools before Europeans taught them those things. It's no surprise that 400 years later, Blacks can't beat White in education because only race valued it.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

It's implied Asians can produce other physical attributes like slanted eyelids or even different bacteria found in their mouths, it's safe to assume that they also have DNA that produces bigger and more intelligent brains than any other race.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

So you're aware all 3 races have physically different skull structures? Congratulations, you're catching up now!

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

Skull differences are the reason humans even exist.

https://i.imgur.com/qsca7Wd.jpg

Notice the oldest ancestor resembles a slightly more advanced Chimp? Their intelligence level was banging rocks together. Now look at the last example. His brain is far bigger and his intellectual achievements are also superior.

Black people are caught in the middle of this timeline. They are not considered biologically equal to Europeans who have built far more complex civilizations than anything found in Native Africa.