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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Japan was in the exact same boat and they even got atom bombed for it, yet where is Japan today? Japanese nationalism is still going strong.

If the Germans want to have the exact same pride in their race, they should just do it. Unironically, they have the 4th largest GDP in the world, and the strongest in all of Europe. That's not a nation that can be easily bullied into submission if the Germans ever find it in themselves to be nationalist again.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And the awesome awesome Japanese birthrate and workaholic standard of living, or the amazing Israel ethnostate and their genocide of Palestinians, and management of NYC, US politics and proxy wars. (Sorry to bother you with this, but I'm not convinced that ethnostates work very well, as much as I like Japanese culture.)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What part of these countries are not working, in spite of these faults?

Japan is pretty damn functional in all social aspects (i.e education, healthcare, military, economy). I also find the workaholic complaints to be completely invalid. Go apply for a job at Amazon and you will find there are shifts that are as long as 12 hours a day. Or become a nurse and work in an emergency hospital and shifts are 24 hours long. Especially during Covid pandemic, I know some medical staff who never got any rest...

As for Israel, in no way do I support their mass murders of Palestinians. But outside of the occupied territories, what exactly is the problem with Israeli society? Again, they still have high quality infrastructure, wealth, military and security.

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Japan: gender inequality, sinking economy, aging society, sinking birthrate, radiation, unpopular and seemingly powerless government, one-third of single women living in poverty, rising number of children needing protection from child abuse, increase in bicycle accidents, increasing destruction caused by wildlife source, sales tax hike, dwindling exports, deflation and low economic growth, extreme work culture, triads (corruption), etc

Israel: genocide, apartheid, human rights abuses, greed, endemic corruption, poor security for its citizens, conservative clerics, racism against non-Jews, hatred of liberal Jews by conservative Jews, Masorti and orthodox Jews smell terrible because of their customs, hatred of Israel in their region and in much of the world, Israeli cost of living among highest in developed world, Israel listed as second most expensive country to buy a home, a generation of Israelis despairs of ever owning a home of their own, 1.8 million Israelis, half of them children, live in poverty, many Israelis are litterbugs, road rage is rampant one of the sources, Limited professional growth opportunities, relatively few large businesses and multinational companies have major footprints in Israel, protekzia (the buddy system) which can make it hard for immigrants to get a leg up on the career ladder, paltry vacation time (legal minimum 12 days) for those often meager salaries, a standard 45 hour work week to compound that, Middle Eastern haggling culture, poor customer service, extremely sparse tenant protection legislation, very aggressive and loud, increasingly right-wing nationalistic direction of the government, Israel has always been partially a theocracy, etc. one of he sources

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Japan...increase in bicycle accidents....

Ok, this is epic. Next time I vote for a head of state, I have to tell them the #1 pressing concern in any society, are the amount of bikes on the road.

Being serious now, these complaints have absolutely nothing to do with the success of an ethnostate. In fact, take everything you've written down and multiply them by three. Because when you introduce diversity, you are forced to now deal with many ethnic groups and their issues as opposed to just helping one.

In Japanese society, women's issues are their own. The government is only tasked to look after the Japanese population. If they were multicultural, then now the government has to spend billions setting up departments for White citizens, Black citizens, Indian citizens, because all of them will never have equal social status. These indifferences are made worse by biological factors that no amount of money can fix.

Multiculturalism and diversity are literally money sinks. It's fruitless to spend so much money trying to make every single race and ethnic group happy, when we would all be better off focusing on just one group for every country.

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We certainly disagree. I still argue that it's important to look at the broader significant circumstances of the problems in Japan and Israel. These aren't by any means the shining examples of the awesomeness of ethnostates. At best, they also have the same problems as other countries. At worst, their distinctive problems are essentially abuses to themselves and others.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't disagree. There's a crucial element that proves multiculturalism is heavily immoral. Read this line again,

In fact, take everything you've written down and multiply them by three. Because when you introduce diversity, you are forced to now deal with many ethnic groups and their issues as opposed to just helping one.

Multiculturalism literally costs money. It's not cheap and it was never affordable. In America alone, we've seen race riots since the country was founded, all the way to 2020 today.

Japan NEVER had that. Only in multicultural societies, does racial violence exist. Only in multicultural societies, does racism exist. Racism can only exist because diversity enabled it.