2020 US Census shows White population has DROPPED by 8.6% in a decade. The first ever in U.S History.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

20% of the USA was considered non-white back then [17th - 19th centuries]

What is the source for this? The problem here is that a number of states were not part of the US until the early 20th century. Many of the minorities were also exploited for their labor during this period, adding to US wealth. This does not consider the Hispanic West, Native American plains, the Cherokee, Alaska, Hawaii, black slaves, Chinese labor, etc, etc. By 1800, there were only approximately 5 million non-hispanic whites in the US. By 1900, that number rose to 76 million. During the 17th century, and much of the 18th century, whites were a minority in North America. Perhaps if you consider the extent of the exploitation of cheap labor (of all ethnicities), you'll see that the US was developing as a superpower into the 19th century partially because of this exploitation. Who should get the credit? Everyone.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Your own link says starting in the 1900s, the USA was at least 87.6% White, and it basically stayed like this up until the 1970s.

https://i.imgur.com/EkksTd4.png

Perhaps if you consider the extent of the exploitation of cheap labor (of all ethnicities), you'll see that the US was developing as a superpower into the 19th century partially because of this exploitation. Who should get the credit? Everyone.

Exploitation and cheap labor exist everywhere. Even before the USA came into existence, Africans & Native Americans were enslaving each other for free, yet how come they never built any cars, rocketships, or even a democratic government?

You don't get none of these things without the White Man. It's non-whites who should be saying "thank you" because for thousands of years, none of their societies ever got as advanced as Europe. And they still aren't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We're discussing 17th - to 19th centuries, not the 20th century.

We're also discussing contributions to making the US a superpower. Low wage earners and slaves contributed.

If you want former slaves to thank whites for their enslavement, you must know that that's completely nuts.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We're discussing 17th - to 19th centuries, not the 20th century.

Ok, and it was still a White country or lead by them. America's very first law, specifically said only "free White person(s) ... of good character" were citizens. You don't get that if the contributions were all black or Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

We're also discussing contributions to making the US a superpower. Low wage earners and slaves contributed.

Does the burger flipper at Mcdonalds make more important decisions than the CEO? Responsibilities are not equally shared, and the same is true with race.

Doing grunt work is not as equal as managing the entire country or even making important decisions to win wars.

If you want former slaves to thank whites for their enslavement, you must know that that's completely nuts.

Do you got a counter argument? Slaves in Africa were actually eaten or sacrifcied to their tribal chiefs. And the ones who never got on the boat still live in poverty to this day, even when Europeans never ruled them.

Meanwhile, Blacks born in America today are given free money just for being alive. They get jobs, they get education, they can get anything they want because the government passed affirmative action for them. If they're not thankful for this, when all their homelands are stuck in an extreme violence and poverty loop, they're idiots.

By the way, it was a famous Black American boxer, Muhammad Ali, who said he's glad his parents came as slaves to America, instead of staying in the Congo. Especially since he visited the Congo and saw what black life was actually like.

https://quotepark.com/quotes/1761571-dinesh-dsouza-better-off-the-point-is-illustrated-by-the-great/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So many fallacies here, I am not sure where to begin, or if I should bother.

The short answer is that we read all about the ways in which - historically - segregation, aparthied, racism, ethnostate proposals, white supremacy, and the rest of it, creates only discord, ruins societies, and just hasn't worked, in any scenario, if we look back 10 thousand years. To your points:

[17th-19th century North America, or what is now the US] Ok, and it was still a White country or lead by them.

No, it was not.

Responsibilities are not equally shared, and the same is true with race.

This is a class issue, and one can see that people with different skin colors are in the upper classes of many country, where they have major responsibities. The people who do the work for them are indeed contributing to their success - and as discussed - contributing to the US as a superpower.

Slaves in Africa were actually eaten or sacrifcied to their tribal chiefs....

This and other points about howgrateful former slaves should be are false and take the information out of context. Imperial developments shifted the power dynamic in the southern hemisphere, so that there was human trafficking, while also other debts to countries in northern hemispheres. Western bellicosity severely reduced the quality of life for many in the empires. But the color of skin of the victors in these early modern exchanges varied broadly - especially around the Mediterranean and toward the south and east. Human trafficing was popular in central asia, across the globe, and around Africa.

I doubt any of this will be appreciated, but I hope it helps. This merely scratches the surface of the necessary explanations in answer to the points you've made.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The short answer is that we read all about the ways in which - historically - segregation, aparthied, racism, ethnostate proposals, white supremacy, and the rest of it, creates only discord, ruins societies, and just hasn't worked,

In comparison to multicultural societies, which has never once achieved equality anywhere on this earth, and attempts at implementing it is nothing but a giant money sink?

Segregation, apartheid and ethnostates have worked. Their goal is to either keep races separate, or acknowledge major differences exist that's at least biological in origin. How this somehow "creates discord" or "ruins societies" demands an explanation. For example, in the case of Apartheid, I would rather blame Blacks for choosing to move to a racist country and be subjected to its cruel punishments, when 99% of the rest of the continent never had Apartheid but quality of life was far worse than them.

No, it was not.

So George Washington is no longer White? Abraham Lincoln too? Is he now a black guy?

I'm not trying to be a dick but this feels like history being rewritten. And it seems funny that you didn't respond to my Naturalization Act. Which race wrote the first law that said citizenship was only meant for free white people? WHY would they create such a law to begin with, if they thought America was suppose to be for everyone? Spoiler: They didn't.

This is a class issue, and one can see that people with different skin colors are in the upper classes of many country, where they have major responsibities. The people who do the work for them are indeed contributing to their success - and as discussed - contributing to the US as a superpower.

They're not contributing as much as the people responsible for the success of the nation as a whole. Burger flippers didn't build the Mcdonalds or come up with the prices to sell food to the masses. They literally do basic grunt work of putting meat on a bun and handing to customers. A CEO's worth and value goes beyond physical labor. It takes a level of genius and intellect to read the market and keep a multi-billion company afloat, every single day.

America is just like that. All the low tier physical labor class are just following orders that the smarter and upper class managers tell them to do. When industrialization came along, the physical labor class actually became less irrelevant, because machines could do it better and more efficiently.

This and other points about howgrateful former slaves should be are false and take the information out of context. Imperial developments shifted the power dynamic in the southern hemisphere, so that there was human trafficking, while also other debts to countries in northern hemispheres. Western bellicosity severely reduced the quality of life for many in the empires. But the color of skin of the victors in these early modern exchanges varied broadly - especially around the Mediterranean and toward the south and east. Human trafficing was popular in central asia, across the globe, and around Africa.

And there was human trafficking in Europe as well. Arabs ran their own slave trade and raided Europe looking for human livestock. Yet why isn't Europe a shithole today? The "racism" excuses just don't hold up in the face of logic. If former slaves don't want to feel grateful they grew up in America, then they can pack their bags and head straight back to Africa where they came from. But they refuse to do that.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The anti White shows his true colors. All of the problems of the past 10,000 years are from White Supremacy and racism.