Having kids isn't a political solution and is no viable strategy to victory

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from self.debatealtright

BAP(May his twitter account rest in peace) made this point before radfems got his account shoah'd. The copts in Egypt had kids and they lived as second class dhimmis for thousands of years. In fact, the whole have kids narrative peddled by semi-based conservatives in a way plays into the left's strategy.

There's a narrative on the right that by having kids, you'll outlast the libs and the world will fall into your hands. This trend is revealed in the admiration for the amish and mormons.

I beg to disagree. If you do not have political/cultural power, all you'd be doing is making more dhimmi serfs for the left to tax and exploit.

You can seven kids and homeschool them, but sooner or later they'll come into contact with the rest of the world. With youtube, netflix, pornhub and the NFL. Sooner or later, the leftist borg will assimilate most of them. Even if they didn't, they'd be forced to pay taxes of the zog government and work in some zog corporation, both of which work against them.

Without political activism, all you'd be doing is feeding more manpower to your enemies. Its a lot like Germany during the imperial era. Millions of Germans immigrated to the US and in the process provided more manpower, industry and labor to the anglo-saxon powers. In effect, Germany built up its own enemy.

Hitler lamented this in Mein Kampf when he noted that a lot of the US troops were of German stock. Thus began his obsession with Lebensraum, to find enough living space and resources so that Germans would not have to leave the reich in search of them.

And even in the case of that they don't assimilate, they are still toothless communiteis. The Amish or the old believers live in primitive conditions with no industry or real firepower. Any mexican cartel, Georgian mafia or zog letter agency could slaughter them any day if they so wished to do it.

Dutch Calvinists and Finnish Laestadians are better, in that they have high birth rates but don't go full primitive. I have a suspicion that the Finns party is mostly powered by Laestadian votes. In any case, simply having kids is no solution.

Don't get me wrong, its extremely important to have kids and keep white numbers up. Numbers matter greatly. The Turks were stackwiped by Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia in the first Balkan war. At that time, the combined population of those realms and Greeks within Turkey was equal to that of muslim turks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Balkan_War

Today, Turkey has a population of 80 million and Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia tremble before them. Turkey could easily defeat and take them over if it weren't for the fear of Russian or Franco-German intervention.

What i'm getting at is that it shouldn't be touted as a political solution. Just having kids and raising future dhimmis is not enough. Its no substitute for grad politics. The only route to salvation is to have a state that is controlled by white nationlists. Only state power can keep out ZOG corporations, cultural poison and Somalian rapists.

All other solutions are pointless and a waste of time. Be it the trad caths and their desire to be court eunuchs for a Latinx king, be it marxnats who want to lead ''worker's rebellion'' against capitalism or the V-dare types who want to policy wonk their way out of this.

This state can be built by co-opting an existing country(E.g France, Poland, Hungary) or it could be created by carving out a territory from a rotting state(Brazil, South Africa, Ukraine or in an unlikely case, the US).

Only then can you truly have safety and a future for white children. And such a state can act as a base of operations for liberating other white countries. Sending dissidents there money, intelligence and helping them organize.

As long as a people have the will to live, a state is too small to resist global zog pressure. North Korea and Cuba have withstood ZOG pressure for decades despite being tiny. The titanic Soviet Union collapsed despite having the largest army on earth. Its a matter of will.

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[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Sooner or later, the leftist borg will assimilate most of them.

If your children are this weak, then no nation of them could survive.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This is a ridiculous lolbert narrative and totally ignorant of human nature. Humans are social creatures and as such they conform to their social environment. If susceptibility to marketing, propaganda and socialisation were signs of 'weakness' and not just the norm that applies to 99%+ of people it wouldn't be possible to have a society in the first place and marketing, education, propaganda etc wouldn't even exist.

[–]DisgustResponse 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Everyone here grew up in this shit social environment, yet we have come to reject it. I would hope that our children would be somewhat like us.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's no guarantee that they will, every generation has been more degenerate and libtarded than the last. Is there any proof that this was due to genetics and not propaganda? I highly doubt that the libtards were massively outbreeding the conservatards then all of a sudden it flipped like 5-10 years ago.

It's quite obvious that the system is just improving its reach through evolving technology, thus the next generation will be more libtarded than this one like all evidence has shown us has happened with every generation. This is all despite socially conservative people always having been a larger share of births than libertine people.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If cultural marxism is the only history you ever learn, the only culture you ever know and the only set arguments you ever hear, you will inevitably come to see it as reality.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Have you considered that not everybody is weak? Some libertarians believe that assimilation is inevitable without a strong state, just like you do. Yet you claim you can sculpt it out of the shit you decry, rather than preserving the strength that exists.

Get it together, man.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck are you talking about?

[–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

All white people are this weak obviously. Look at them suiciding their race.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Damn straight.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are few people that just recommend having children than bad faith leftists and fake conservatives. The reason why having children is important is we need to build an alternative to ZOG and give courage to other Whites to defect from ZOG. Standing up as a solitary individual at global homo mega corporation is suicidal financially and socially. If a social network affirms that individual and protects them from ZOG enforcers it is a completely different game. Collective action is the only way to beat ZOG because they can print infinite money and control all major media, education and government institutions. This can only exist in high social capital environments which naturally occurs in strong ethnic communities. These communities will be bases for political operations. They will not take over a entire state, they give other Whites courage to fight against ZOG and once a large group of Whites defect they will take control of existing institutions until sovereignty is returned.

The simple answer is we need to basically use Jewish strategies to defeat them. They prevent other groups from copying them because they know it gives them power. We need to build ethnic businesses, parallel institutions and our own lawyers that will litigate our enemies to oblivion. The civil rights act is only applied against Whites, we need to use it against Jews and their golems.

[–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can't do anything because whites aren't awake, that's the point. You can wake more whites than you can rear.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think people who argue for having lots of kids intend it to be some kind of panacea for all of our sociopolitical problems. It's just a necessary condition for victory in the long-term. The fact is modern society is very dysgenic and anti-natal, but conservatives are outbreeding white shitlibs, and eventually this will mean that white shitlibs don't exist anymore and this faction will disappear. As this happens, our political struggle will become a more and more obviously racial one, which will unify white people against the judeo/non-white alliance. White birth rates are very low and below replacement in most countries, so this "have kids" sentiment is good and necessary even if won't solve literally everything

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fact is modern society is very dysgenic and anti-natal, but conservatives are outbreeding white shitlibs, and eventually this will mean that white shitlibs don't exist anymore and this faction will disappear.

White shitlibs are made not born. The 'sjw' archetype that is massively popular in Gen Z and Millennials practically didn't even exist in Gen X and Boomers, except amongst the most dedicated to the system, lumpenproles etc. Are we to believe that Gen Z and Millennial parents were all just genetically 'dormant' shitlibs? Are we to ignore the millions of people who report their parents are conservatives and now they're tattooed up to the eyebrows, doing drugs and having sex with anyone and anything they possibly can?

I think we obviously should have kids but the genetic determinist angle that assumes the bootlickers are just going to kill themselves off and leave only us is naive imo, they'll just turn our kids into shitlibs too like they did to our peers who have normal parents.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White shitlibs are made not born

This is at best halfways true. Conservatism is .45-.65 heritable., and so are other traits that we care about. On top of that, conservative parents are more likely to raise conservative kids, regardless of genetic influence.

genetic determinist angle that assumes the bootlickers are just going to kill themselves off and leave only us is naive imo

It is - but that's kind of my point. Obviously, it is not enough to just "have kids" - at some point we will have to seize control of consequential public and private institutions from leftists/Jews, one way or another. What I'm saying is, contrary to Caspar's main point of the post, is that the "have kids" proponents by and large do not think this is a sufficient strategy to solve all of our problems. But it is necessary if we are to win - and there are plenty of anti-natal and anti-family influences out there that are detrimental to us

[–]peaceful✞ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said good writer. And waking up millions of whites is the only chance to get an ethnostate. We can post links to amern videos about 30 times per hour on youtube without triggering spam filter, and a lot on twitter. This is the type of propaganda outreach needed.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having lots of children is necessary but not sufficient. The "necessary but not sufficient" relationship is one that humans have a hard time with. We have a tendency to create a false binary between sufficient and unnecessary.

[–]NayenezganiNot alt-right 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Actively trying to spread anti-natalism in third world countries also helps.

[–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Spread it how? You have no access to their media.

[–]NayenezganiNot alt-right 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant in terms of inducing social/economic conditions that enable anti-natalist mentalities or force people to limit reproduction.

When it comes to media, traditional media is obviously unviable but social media can work in the future since third world access to the internet will increase eventually. On the internet, most of us people from non-Anglophone countries have some proficiency in English. As for the most natally problematic region on the planet, Africa, the majority of people there who can access the internet will most likely speak a colonial language like French, if not English.

Even developing countries like Brazil and Bangladesh have sub-replacement fertility rates.

[–]Noam_Chomsky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't pay income taxes in Hungary, if you have 3 or more children.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, please don't have children.

[–]Alan_Crowe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its no substitute for grad politics.

Much as I like the metaphor of grad politics, I suspect this is just a typo.