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[–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another example of this can be found in the video game Fallout 3 (2008). A highly organized group of uncontaminated humans called the "Enclave" try to recivilize the post-apoc wasteland. Their means to achieve this involve exterminating all mutations by contaminating all water with a substance that will poison only those who are mutated. The protagonist canonically completes the game by defeating this faction, thereby ensuring that the anarchic wasteland continues on.

Order = bad, anarchy = good. Check. Anarchy canonically wins.

The pro-order, evil faction is "Nazi-ish". Yep, they want to exterminate everyone for reasons of purity. The mutated are analogous to the J's; uncontaminated humans, to the Aryan race; poisoning water supplies, to gas chambers.

An additional howler is that the Enclave is descended from the pre-apoc US government. "US government are Nazis". Check.

This reasoning also plays out on a smaller scale elsewhere in the game. For example, there is a tower inhabited by bourgeois types insulated somewhat from the wasteland. Here there is a man who wants a much more anarchic nearby settlement to be nuked for little reason other than that it spoils the view that he has from the top of the tower. He also shoots random people from there with a sniper rifle as some sort of fun hobby.

So, the forces of order again come off as cartoonishly evil, and nuking the settlement is indeed considered an "evil" act within the game's own "karma" system.

The game is thus overwhelmingly the product of left-liberal minds. It presents the anarchic wasteland as worth defending from the forces of order, who are additionally the closest thing to a legitimate successor of the US government. Fascinatingly it doesn't even portray the wasteland as anything short of horrid, but it still wants you to defend it against the greater evil of a people whose ends are so obviously desirable but whose means are essentially the Holocaust. We should thus defend savagery against civilization rather than have the Holocaust happen again.

It is worth mentioning that the same highly exclusive force are also the antagonists in Fallout 2 (1998). However, in Fallout 1 (1997) the antagonists are in many respects the precise opposite, highly inclusive to the point of wanting to unite everybody through subjecting them to extreme mutation. Here, mutation is not grounds for extermination but the criteria for entrance into a sort of Kalergite mixed race assimilating everyone it encounters. They basically flipped the villains from being degenerate commies wiping out all true diversity through radical inclusion to their polar opposites, i.e. exclusive human purists/supremacists aspiring to kill everything mutated.

The Ukrainian Metro game series in some ways is even more clownish. In Metro Last Light (2013) there is a scene in which literal Slavic Nazis measure a man's skull. They find that his skull is larger than they find acceptable, which they believe is the result of mutation, and thus promptly shoot him in the head.

The Just Cause video game series also follows this same kind of reasoning. For example, in Just Cause 3 (2015) the protagonist is in a functional open-world ruled by a cartoonish dictator. You have to overthrow his nationalistic, orderly regime so that a bunch of moronic leftists who couldn't run a bath properly can take over.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So many films I've seen recently boil down to conflicts between 'authoritarian personality' types and non-authoritarians. It's the same tropes and conflicts over and over again with the ultimate message always being that the authoritarian is dangerous, wicked and will ultimately be overcome by a rag tag bunch of individuals which are usually as 'diverse' as possible.

The good, subversive films I'm always on the lookout for are the ones that actually acknowledge that the big bad authoritarian is right. Some of them even do this unintentionally but that's not as interesting. John Goodman's character in cloverfield is the only reason those two worthless idiots he has underground are alive and John Malkovich in bird box come to mind. John Malkovich protests when they let a demon possessed criminal into the house who eventually gets most of them killed but he's been set up as the authoritarian Trump supporter so of course the rag tag bunch of diverse individuals knocks him out and lock him up. Yet not for one second is this reflected on. No one questions what they've done, why they made that mistake or feels guilty for imprisoning a man who justifiably tried to warn them of the danger of letting strangers into your house. It's just never discussed again. Bullock runs off with her Black boyfriend and adopted children to the country.

I actually really like that film just because it's such ham-handed propaganda that it's constantly contradicting itself and becomes almost 'Ourfilm'.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Some of them even do this unintentionally but that's not as interesting

It's always funniest when they fail at their own propaganda. I can remember a couple times this has happened; a movie tries to display how evil and bad their thinly-vieled analogy group is, and end up making them look like the good guys. I believe that Wolfenstein on Netflix was an example that popped up some time ago.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. I even remember watching k e of those Cape movies ages ago that had Zod and Russell crowe as supermans father and thinking the whole time 'zod is 100 percent right and superman father is the villain of this entire movie and ultimately just as responsible for what is happening to earth as zod'.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can remember a couple times this has happened; a movie tries to display how evil and bad their thinly-vieled analogy group is, and end up making them look like the good guys.

The America shown in Man in the High Castle. Safe, orderly, productive.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes, that was it. I referenced Wolfenstein but I believe you're correct.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ignored yet practically copy-and-pasted drivel like "The Hunger Games" are so celebrated; The latter is purely fantastical bullshit circlejerking, the former is a display of our societies as they are, controlled and influenced by those that despise us.

While the Hunger Games is liberal it has the most accurate depiction of a successful revolution in popular culture. It shows the importance of propaganda and symbols and gestures to show dissident solidarity. The hand gesture being banned by the government in the movies is why the "ok" symbol was declared by a hate symbol by the ADL and militaries. A symbol that expresses solidarity is powerful among dissident groups even if the "ok" symbol originated as joke.

The movie series is also interesting in that the protagonist is nothing more than a political pawn and symbol for the revolution. The actual revolutionary group doesn't need Katniss at all except for as a symbol for propaganda. The themes of the movie really subvert the common hero trope and shows the importance of collective power and that a hero figure is not enough for a revolution and might not be necessary other than as a symbol.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've never thought of that, that's a very good point.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even in Europe, fragmented tribes sans a centralized power structure were savage and brutal. The Vikings, the Gothic tribes, the Sea Peoples, the list goes on.

What made the vikings savage or brutal? Or the gothics?

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Their entire thing was sailing around pillaging and fighting one another. They were far more complex than other relatively savage groups, but they weren't comparable to (sorta) unified states like Rome, obviously.

Both groups often engaged in brutal conflicts of raiding and piracy, murdering and enslaving their nieghbors or other targets. The Visigoths even sacked Rome.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Their entire thing was sailing around pillaging and fighting one another

Because the romans didn't do that?

The vikings had the most sophisticated ships at the time, the nordics had previously spread the chariots and many other inventions. They had a complicated trading network all across Europe, even to North America, Middle east, Africa and Asia.

Scandinavian groups such as the cimbri, lombards, burgundians and goths contributed to the southern civilisations at various times.
The sacking of rome is an example of Germanic superiority, not savagery.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Vikings raided the coasts of Europe, wiping out villages and taking slaves to be sold to the Islamic caliphate. The Vikings were pagan savages who menaced christian Europe, at a time when it was already struggling for survival against the muslim hordes. The only good thing the Vikings did was that they eventually gave up their rapacious lifestyle and settled down.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The "good guys" are also always a multiracial and multicultural group.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, another layer of the propaganda.