You have to list your policies and pitch them to a normie. What do you say?

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[–]NeoRail[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Last time I was in school, I remember who the kids were that failed, and unless they were truly sorry (i.e retook the class again with higher expectations) then they were never fit for most positions in life that require a higher level of understanding. This is actually my favorite position. Throwing stupid and superstitious people in power has always been a miserable experience, especially as it can get many innocents killed. I rather they go skateboarding or watch TV all day, then attempt to dictate what a national healthcare policy should be like.

What if teachers start handing out grades because of a sense of pity, or because of corruption? Have you considered that? What about highly intelligent people who are just lazy or hate school? What about people who change later on in life? What about people who deliberately choose to fail in order to spend their life on welfare? What about smart and hard working students who may have been unable to secure such a high grade as a result of stress or some other reason? What about teachers who grade down students for political reasons or out of a personal grudge?

I think such a policy would be very deeply flawed.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm going to be real with you dude. Many of these arguments sound the exact as when Black people dismiss their own incompetence or try and argue for "equality of outcomes". But there's many compelling reasons why this system isn't corruptible.

It's not just about passing grades, people who can demonstrate their own intelligence usually go above and beyond what the curriculum teaches. Think about kids who volunteer after school, or learn to start their own business before the age 18. Those things cannot be faked, because it requires commitment. Now, for the rest of your concrerns,

What about highly intelligent people who are just lazy or hate school?

I treat this as an oxymoron. Laziness is a trait of bad time management.

What about people who change later on in life?

They can retake school as I mentioned earlier. In fact, post secondary adult learning is a real thing. But that's of course, if they're actually serious about it...

What about people who deliberately choose to fail in order to spend their life on welfare?

You can apply to Mcdonalds and deliberately burn yourself with the deepfryers. Will you get disability checks for it? Most likely. But did you also throw your life away in the process? Yes.

Welfare only exists as a safety net. It would provide only the bear minimum needed for survival, but it offers no other rewards that lets you have luxury on par with say... a millionaire. They can also forget about volunteering for any leadership opportunities that require a certificate.

What about smart and hard working students who may have been unable to secure such a high grade as a result of stress or some other reason?

Japan was attacked by nukes and it put a lot of stress on them. But why did Japan still recover? They still worked hard towards rebuilding themselves. The same should apply to any student who is an obstacle you they think is temporary.

What about teachers who grade down students for political reasons or out of a personal grudge?

Launch an investigation. Especially by finding another other pupils who actually failed [for real] and compare the results. Such obvious bias should be easy to filter out.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your thinking is too one-dimensional and simplistic. You should scrutinise your statements more rigorously and confirm that your conclusions are sensible, inevitable, contextually appropriate and universal before you settle on them. Take this for example:

I treat this as an oxymoron. Laziness is a trait of bad time management.

What could possibly lead you to conclude that all highly intelligent people are diligent or love school? I have met many brilliant people who were lazy. I have also met intelligent people who hated school. Not to mention that good time management is by no means inherent to high intelligence either. High intelligence is not always necessarily accompanied by the will and capacity to use it effectively. I suspect that you did well in school, liked it, and are now assuming that everyone who is intelligent must have the same experience. That which would be incorrect.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What could possibly lead you to conclude that all highly intelligent people are diligent or love school?

It's not about loving school. Hell, I hated most of mine growing up. But that hatred came from a place of indifference, rather than refusing to do assignments because I couldn't time manage them.

I have met many brilliant people who were lazy. I have also met intelligent people who hated school. Not to mention that good time management is by no means inherent to high intelligence either. High intelligence is not always necessarily accompanied by the will and capacity to use it effectively.

Think back to my original example of Black people propping up the exact same excuses but still end up failing. Giving everyone the benefit of the doubt without any real results to show for it leads to an unproductive society since everyone can make claims that "I'm smart, but I wont show you any proof of it!".

I suspect that you did well in school, liked it, and are now assuming that everyone who is intelligent must have the same experience. That which would be incorrect.

Unironically, I was closer to an average student. Like getting mid 70s in every class. In many scenarios, I could have retaken classes and gotten up to a high 80s or 90s average but I did choose to waste those hours playing video games after school.

And see? That's the point. The smarter you are, the more you actually take your own craft seriously, instead of trying to avoid it. I definitely wish I had a higher IQ so studying to become an Astronaut or Politician would never have felt like a boring career, when every second of it demands thinking on your feet at all times.

At best, I do consider myself smart enough to write these pseudo-thesis and post discussions on Debate Alt-right but lets be real. Even posting on a message board lacks the mental qualities of actual Alt-right leaders like Nick Fuentes or George Lincoln Rockwell, who are out there making a difference in the real world. If all they did was post on debate forums like us, there would be nobody to take seriously as a political activist since they would all be stuck indoors playing video games or smoking weed. And that's ok.

We need certain people in life who are mental workhorses and know how to reach audiences far larger than most of us here can. Nature literally gifted them with that talent, so they have to use it.