The depressing story of the American continent.

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[–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Can two black parents create an Asian kid?

Can two Asian parents create a White kid?

Can two White parents create a black kid?

What we mean by race is simply the fact that all of these questions can only be correctly answered with a resounding "No". Those who believe in race rightly don't care about any of this other stuff (continuum fallacy, '99.X% similarity', etc.) simply because no amount of scientific meandering is even remotely going to turn that resounding "No" into a "Yes" or even a "Maybe".

Your style of argument could just as easily be used to attack dog breeds. Sure, dogs probably are overwhelmingly genetically identical. So what?

Can two Great Danes beget a chihuahua?

Is a chihuahua as equally capable of being a police dog as a Belgian Malinois?

The answers to these questions are evidence enough of the existence of dog breeds for most people. Yet strangely when we substitute 'Great Dane' for one race and 'chihuahua' for another in the first question, suddenly the egalitarians amusingly try to backpedal and declare such arguments unsound.

It's hilarious how Western 'science' is so transparently hellbent on trying to provide quasi-scientific explanations for Left-liberal ideological views. The same people who argue this nonsense are incidentally most of the same people who believe that the male-female distinction is also 'fake', and who simultaneously use the 'born this way' argument and the 'sexuality can change over the course of one's life' argument. Hmm... we see a pattern here. Those who want racial distinctions abolished also want these other distinctions abolished. The 'science' in all three cases is subordinate to purely ideological and quasi-moral reasoning. The presupposed assumptions and the reached conclusions are numerically identical.

Until two black parents can create an Asian kid (i.e. never), there will always be a need for racial classifications among humans. End of. Keep denying race all you like—it's transparently obvious that the underlying reasons for doing so are based in ideology. Eastern European and East Asian geneticists, who overwhelmingly accept race, will bury Western science.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, two Black parents can create an Asian kid. Yes, two Asian parents can create a white kid. Yes, two white parents can create a Black kid.

You are wrong.

https://www.konbini.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/2018/03/national-geographic-cover-april-2018-race.adapt_.1190.1.jpg

These are twin sisters, from the same parents. One is Black, one is white.

Now, it is a bit complicated. You don't realize it, but you are invoking the "rule of hypodescent." This is a known anthropological concept. Your categories are social, and they break down when we apply more rigorous scrutiny to them.

Chen is Asian, but he has half white ancestry. Because he lives in the USA, where Asians are a minority group, he is seen as Asian, not at all white. Everyone knows Chen is Asian. Nobody goes out of their way to say he is 'half white.' They don't even see it, since Asian alleles tend to be dominant.

Chen marries Sue. Sue is also Asian, but half white. Everyone likewise knows that Sue is Asian. Her census record says 'Asian,' not 'Asian and Caucasian.' Just 'Asian.'

Chen and Sue have a daughter, Sally. Sally is white!! She looks white, everyone sees her clearly as such. Of course, this can happen. It's luck of the genetic draw. The genes were there, and society has spoken. The phenotypes interact with the zeitgeist, and everyone knows exactly what box to put these people in. Chen is Asian. Sue is Asian. Sally is white. Nobody hesitates to give their 'resounding answers.'

Now, here is where you want to try and be specific, when it becomes inconvenient for you. Before, you said that these questions have resounding answers. Indeed they do! all of Chen's coworkers know that he is Asian. But now, you don't think the answers are so resounding. Now you want nuance and subtlety, now it is complicated. Now it matters to you that Chen is half white.

See, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want it to be the case that everyone 'just knows' the answers to these questions, but they don't. They have many default assumptions that they make as a matter of their socialization, assumptions that vary enormously from culture to culture, and they won't become more nuanced to accomodate your worldview. Chen IS Asian. Everyone knows it. Sue IS Asian everyone knows it. It is your 'resounding answer.' Sally IS white, and everyone knows it. You can kick and scream and try to persuade society otherwise, but they aren't trying to make your case. You have to do it yourself, and I doubt your reply is going to have a 'resounding answer.' You're going to try to be nuanced, to bring in the little things that matter. What happened to 'resounding answers'??

I didn't mention the continuum fallacy and I didn't mention dog breeds. I appreciate that you refer to this as my 'style' of argument, because you know I didn't say any of that. It's like 'homestyle' food, aka, not homemade. So I won't bother addressing your point about dogs, because it is YOUR point, not one I made. I'm making arguments different than the ones you seem prepared to reply to, which is very much an altright theme. I didn't talk about sex or gender either. Let's stay focused.

And who's denying race?? Again, whose argument are you replying to?? Race is extremelt real. It isn't science, but not everything has to be.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, two Black parents can create an Asian kid. Yes, two Asian parents can create a white kid. Yes, two white parents can create a Black kid.

No they can't

https://www.konbini.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/2018/03/national-geographic-cover-april-2018-race.adapt_.1190.1.jpg JPG

These are twin sisters, from the same parents. One is Black, one is white.

No, they're both mixed race retard.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wow. "Nuh-uh!" Is your reply. Want to throw in a "nya nya!" or a "neener-neener"? Give me a wet willy maybe, or kick me in the balls? I haven't got any, sadly.

You are also mixed raced. Everyone is mixed race. That doesn't matter. What matters is society's RESOUNDING ANSWERS, as you said. Nobody looks at the white twin and says 'she is mixed race.' She is white. That is the resounding answer. Nobody looks at the Black twin and says she is mixed. Everyone gives the resounding answer: SHE IS BLACK. But now, you don't like resounding answers anymore!! Now, you like nuance. Now you like to nitpick, and be specific. Now it really matters to you that we look PAST the resounding answers of society, and keep in mind who is 'mixed' and who is 'not mixed,' even as society rolls their eyes at you and continues to give the resounding answers that you liked 30 minutes ago.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are talking about outliers and mixed race people. Yes, you can incorrectly guess someones race, but that doesn't mean that the person wasn't half-Asian, half-White to begin with. You literally stated in your post that the two parents were mixed race.

You're confusing social race with biological race.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No they have one black and one white parent, they're mixed race. You're literally the only person in the world that would dispute this fact because you're just trolling using tactical nihilism.

You should also get a psychological evaluation, this comment is wacky as fuck.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

9People don't see their parents. If I showed you each twin without context, you would say one is Black and the other is white. When you walk around, do people come up to you and demand to see photos of your parents? No. They just have a RESOUNDING ANSWER about what you are. It's the same for these twins. They don't go around getting called 'mixed.' Everyone takes one look at them, don't know anything about their parents, and knows which one is white and which one is Black. I thought you liked RESOUNDING ANSWERS! Now we need to invoke everyone's parents in order to know their race? That isn't very resounding.

What about the example I gave with multiple mixed race Asian parents? It's the same situation, with a different distribution. You see many people like this every day. You think they are Black, white, Asian. You don't know about their parents and you don't ask. You do what everyone does. You give your resounding answer.

A lot of people here care about your assessment of my sanity. I care about it a lot as well. It is very important, and consequential.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

9People don't see their parents. If I showed you each twin without context, you would say one is Black and the other is white. When you walk around, do people come up to you and demand to see photos of your parents? No. They just have a RESOUNDING ANSWER about what you are. It's the same for these twins. They don't go around getting called 'mixed.' Everyone takes one look at them, don't know anything about their parents, and knows which one is white and which one is Black. I thought you liked RESOUNDING ANSWERS! Now we need to invoke everyone's parents in order to know their race? That isn't very resounding.

Schizophrenia moment.

What about the example I gave with multiple mixed race Asian parents? It's the same situation, with a different distribution. You see many people like this every day. You think they are Black, white, Asian. You don't know about their parents and you don't ask. You do what everyone does. You give your resounding answer.

No it's an assumption based on appearances, and an incorrect one once facts are obtained.

Logic is a famous rapper who looks white to most people, but his father is black so he's mixed race. He's not magically white just because you insist that he is.

The other guy did better. You should leave this to him.

I'll gladly not talk to a kike battling with his schizophasia whilst attempting to do tactical nihilism.

[–]milkmender11 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people care that you are calling me a schizophrenic Jew. I am worried that this will impact my life negatively, because what you say matters a lot. Won't you please take your comments down before people see?

Now assumptions based on appearances are bad? The other guys said this was about resounding answers, not nuanced assumptions that involve detailed understanding of everyone's parental lineages. Do you agree with what he said or not?

It's great that you did a lot of background reading on Logic. If you put a picture of him in front of random Americans, don't say his name, don't talk about his parents, what would they say his race is? Society will give a resounding answer, and it won't be the same as what you want it to be. Again, if you have a disagreement with the Sheikh, why are you responding to me? Respond to him.

I'll gladly not talk to a kike battling with his schizophasia whilst attempting to do tactical nihilism.

Lol, you got all of that wrong. Not a Jew. Atheist. Not a schizo. OCD. Not a 'he.' Biofemale.

I have only the faintest idea of what tactical nihilism is, but I can clearly see how you mean it here--it means 'disregards the arguments I like'! Nice buzzword, though. Very cool. Makes you sound super smart