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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

This just came out of Toronto:

https://i.imgur.com/XnzOBif.jpg

24,434 (83.2%) new cases are unvaccinated

4,590 (15.6%) are from single doses only

356 (1.2%) are from two doses only

Unvaccinated people are performing natural selection upon themselves.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Testing positive and becoming ill are two different things.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Yes, and the vaccinated people excel at not dropping dead either.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

A Brazilian town has seen a 95% drop in Covid-19 deaths after almost all adults were vaccinated as part of an experiment, researchers say. Serrana, with 45,000 inhabitants, saw cases plunge after a mass vaccination with the Chinese-developed CoronaVac. The team said those who had not been vaccinated were also protected by the reduction in the virus's circulation. The findings suggest the pandemic can be controlled after 75% of people are fully dosed.

It's almost like this medicine was designed to stop Covid or something, whereas the unvaxxed people are willing to feel the full brunt of it.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I won't be taking the experimental gene therapy and no person or entity, not even the government, has the power to force it on me. I already had covid and it was a total nothing-burger. This so-called, "Delta," variant may be more infectious but, has even less severe symptoms than the original strain which, had a 99.97% survival rate.

With that said, there's no point arguing/debating the efficacy of the experimental gene therapy because those who want it already took it and those who don't want it haven't taken it. The ONLY debate worth having is what actions to take if the government decides to unconstitutionally mandate it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I'm sorry, but the "experimental gene therapy" buzzword that's going around, doesn't make you sound like a professional over medicine.

In fact, all these scare tactics haven't done a single thing to prove WHY vaccines don't work. People have taken it all over the world, and the results are shown to be consistent. Deaths rate are decreasing, and so is the transmission of the actual virus. WTF is this "gene therapy" getting you so worked up, when more people are alive because of the medicine instead of going to the hospital.

Imagine if I said every time you go in for an emergency heart transplant you get "artery incision". Yeah, so what? Do we stop doctors from operating on people now, even though a diseased or failing heart is still going to end up killing you?

The ONLY debate worth having is what actions to take if the government decides to unconstitutionally mandate it.

Well the government has a responsibility to keep a population safe. It shouldn't be a constitutional threat to tell someone to get vaccinated or they're not allowed to participate in society.

This is nothing like owning guns or free speech. It's more akin to other safety laws that already exist, like not going 100 miles per hour in a school zone and attempting to run over kids.

[–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

doesn't make you sound like a professional over medicine.

This is exactly the problem.

Most people are not professionals and naturally have questions regarding the consumption of a rushed medicinal technology. But instead of being provided legitimate explanations, they are told to shut up and ignore any facts that contradict the mainstream narrative.

Why is the vaccine harming, and in some cases, killing people? Do we know about any potential medium or long-term effects of the vaccines? Why do some vaccines seem completely unreliable compared to others? Why should young, healthy adults accept this risk when, realistically, COVID-19 proves no threat? Etc.

WTF is this "gene therapy" getting you so worked up

I believe this refers to the mRNA Pfizer vaccine that is using the public as guinea pigs. As a matter of principle, how is this acceptable?

I don't want to hear an argument based on risk vs. reward with a 0.02% fatality rate. This isn't the black plague where an approach with cut corners would be understandable.

Imagine if I said every time you go in for an emergency heart transplant you get "artery incision"

As long as you explained what you meant precisely, that would be acceptable. Unfortunately, the shitlib fear-mongering tactic utilises vague buzzwords to induce control over large portions of the population with help from the establishment's useful idiots.

That aside, I still feel the analogy is poor. Doctors conducting heart operations is a known quantity. The operation is proven, and the risks are well-documented. Can the same be said for the various COVID-19 vaccines available for widespread public use? Of course not.

Well the government has a responsibility to keep a population safe.

Indeed, but Western governments seem to have little interest when it concerns demographic replacement. So why should we willingly cooperate with race traitors and j*wish infiltrators? Given the compliant nature of modern whites, rebellious energy should be encouraged whenever possible.

You need to have some empathy with your fellow white brothers and sisters who live in a world of animosity and uncertainty—by design. The conspiracy theories that point to global population reduction and sterilisation are merely justifiably distrustful thoughts gone awry. They need guidance onto the correct path, not condescending lectures that almost perfectly align with the views of our enemies.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RadialCentrist is likely a paid shill. I generally don't bother replying to his comments unless I have the urge to troll. Everything he posts is establishment approved data which, only the most brain-dead amongst us consider truth. According to this troll, REAL data can ONLY come from establishment sources--the same sources that fund all the research/development and have immunity from prosecution should their poisons kill people.

The only reason to read this guy's posts/replies is comedy. Terminally brain-dead, "Smart people," produce some of the world's best works of comedy albeit by accident. Still, comedy is comedy!

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly the problem. Most people are not professionals and naturally have questions regarding the consumption of a rushed medicinal technology. But instead of being provided legitimate explanations, they are told to shut up and ignore any facts that contradict the mainstream narrative. Why is the vaccine harming, and in some cases, killing people? Do we know about any potential medium or long-term effects of the vaccines? Why do some vaccines seem completely unreliable compared to others? Why should young, healthy adults accept this risk when, realistically, COVID-19 proves no threat? Etc.

Someone showed me the statistics (or rather, I was the one who found it) but the bulk of the people opposing vaccines right now are actually low class blacks, hispanics, whites. It might sound like a fallacy at first, but none of these guys (or perhaps just comparing poorness with IQ level) have any real idea of how medicine. And to further complicate matters, throughout the entire pandemic, it is the same low IQ & poor groups who are also dying off at a higher rate of Covid compared to anyone else.

It's really perplexing to see why anyone who leans third position, to also adopt a conspiracy that's literally being pushed by the idiot class. And it's not just their advice on medicine. These same people are already dying off to illegal drugs or even obesity.

https://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/11/2667

Scientists are not stupid. They can be wrong for political reasons, but not mathematical ones. Anyone who believes this, literally unplug your computer, because it was made by Scientists.

I believe this refers to the mRNA Pfizer vaccine that is using the public as guinea pigs. As a matter of principle, how is this acceptable?

This is fake news and it's sad to see it become a talking point when it doesn't mean anything.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines. mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.


I don't want to hear an argument based on risk vs. reward with a 0.02% fatality rate. This isn't the black plague where an approach with cut corners would be understandable.

If this was the black plague and anti-vaxxers still told everyone to not take the medicine, what do you think was going to happen? The Covid pandemic already showed how unprepared health systems around the world are to deal with this current virus, pushing out a vaccine that is 99% effective in record time is a god damn miracle. It sets a precedent that vaccines can be made faster, as opposed to the archaic belief that they must always take 10+ years, with millions of people already dying before the first dose could even be delivered.

It's sad to see people fear this for all the wrong and ridiculous reasons. Where this bizarre conspiracy came from that doctors who all swore a Hippocratic oath to save lives are actually planning the extermination of the human race is worse than the belief in Flat Earth. At least the debates around Flat Earth can produce humor and make both sides come to an agreement, the anti-vaxx stuff is just adding to more deaths around the globe when they should have been prevented from day one. Basically real lives are at risk because they think Scientists are being paid to murder the world instead of saving us. Not cool at all.

As long as you explained what you meant precisely, that would be acceptable. Unfortunately, the shitlib fear-mongering tactic utilises vague buzzwords to induce control over large portions of the population with help from the establishment's useful idiots.

Go into any vaccine clinic and ask questions. As long as you are respectful, they're not going to hide anything from you. If you're still scared, then sit down and watch all the other patients come in and get shots. Usually there's a 15 to 30 minute wait time where the doctors are explicitly told to watch for any symptoms and to report it immediately if there's a reaction that goes wrong. This stuff is all open to the public.

That aside, I still feel the analogy is poor. Doctors conducting heart operations is a known quantity. The operation is proven, and the risks are well-documented. Can the same be said for the various COVID-19 vaccines available for widespread public use? Of course not.

The vaccines where rolled out as early as late 2020. It's been used globally and the only reason perhaps not every country has got them yet is because demand is really really fucking high. And remember that certain countries like Israel actually manage to hoard a lot of vaccines in the begining. You would think every Israeli would be dead or end up in the hospital by now, but official statistics actually show they've gone months without new deaths. The complete opposite of the anti-vaxx conspiracies that say everyone should have been wiped out, but there are adults who received two doses and are perfectly fine.

Indeed, but Western governments seem to have little interest when it concerns demographic replacement. So why should we willingly cooperate with race traitors and j*wish infiltrators? Given the compliant nature of modern whites, rebellious energy should be encouraged whenever possible. You need to have some empathy with your fellow white brothers and sisters who live in a world of animosity and uncertainty—by design. The conspiracy theories that point to global population reduction and sterilisation are merely justifiably distrustful thoughts gone awry. They need guidance onto the correct path, not condescending lectures that almost perfectly align with the views of our enemies.

Funny you bring up the "rebellion" thing. That's actually the reason why vaccine hesitation is highest among black circles. They also think it's a secret plot to exterminate them, even though they have the highest Covid deaths rate relative to their population.

The truth is it's all low IQ crap. Unvaccinated people are at a point where they are now performing natural selection on themselves. I'm still waiting for someone, ANYONE, to show me when are all vaccinated people suppose to drop dead after injecting themselves with the 'poison' two times?

They keep saying it's suppose to happen soon, but we're almost nearing the end of 2021 and in some places of the world 50% of all adults have their vaccine. We should be seeing Jim Jones/People's Temple-esque pictures of mass bodies surrounding vaccine clinics yet the majority of people are walking out fine and returning to work. Will it be 2022 when this apocalyptic event will happen? 2023? By then, Covid should have been fully eradicated so what other explanation will be left? They can die at anytime?

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is there a point of debate somewhere in this gibberish?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Regarding gene therapy vs. vaccine, I came across this article recently, still in the middle of reading it

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/joseph-mercola/covid-19-vaccines-are-gene-therapy/

If you're familiar with biology, the immune system, epitopes, etc., you should understand the difference between traditional vaccines which are simply a whole virus (pathogen) broken down into non-infectious parts which our immune system then recognizes and develops antibodies and other mechanisms that allow us to identify and deal with said pathogen.

When our bodies produce proteins, they have ways of marking them so that self and non-self can be identified. With the mRNA or viral vector technologies, for many people their first encounter with this foreign pathogen (or parts of it) will be one where it has markings of self on it. It sounds like a recipe for developing an autoimmune disease in people imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement#Coronavirus

ADE was a concern during late clinical stages of vaccine development against COVID-19.[25][26]

ADE was observed in animal studies during the development of coronavirus vaccines, but as of 14 December 2020 no incidents had been observed in human trials. "Overall, while ADE is a theoretical possibility with a COVID-19 vaccine, clinical trials in people so far have not shown that participants who received the vaccine have a higher rate of severe illness compared to participants who did not receive the vaccine."[27][28]

This defies reasoning and imo is because of the aging/time difference in humans vs. mice/rats. Hence why rushing vaccine development is a poor decision. Most of the consequences of covid are due to government action, not the virus itself.

Articles referenced as 27 and 28.

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/12/568/eabe0948

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7247514/

Rat and mouse age converter

http://www.age-converter.com/rat-age-calculator.html

http://www.age-converter.com/mouse-age-calculator.html

From December 2020

ADVERSE EFFECTS OF MESSENGER RNA VACCINES

EVIDENCE SUMMARY

The only evidence on safety of mRNA vaccines comes from small phase I and phase II trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, with follow-up typically less than two months.

There is not sufficient evidence to support any conclusions on the comparative safety of different mRNA vaccines.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How do you even tell the difference between a "rushed" vaccine and a non-rushed one?

Anti-vaxxers seem to think people are injecting themselves with placebos, but the results in the most vaccinated countries literally show case numbers, hospitalization and even death are on the decline. On top of this, we do not see millions of people being buried in the ground, Jim Jones style, after receiving their vaccine from 6 months ago.

The reason we approve of everything is not because they are 100% foolproof, it's because the results we see in front of us are working and all the pros outweigh the cons by a long shot.

If human beings tried to work on projects forever, or perfect them to an absolute T, we would never get anything done. The same thing applies towards medicine. Human beings are dying right now of a global virus. We don't wait 20 years to release a product that is now rendered useless for the majority of people who died waiting for it.

So seriously, it's a waste of time to nitpick any tiny details because frankly, no better solution even exists. Just like how the heart surgeon can still kill you if he cuts the wrong artery by accident, it's still better to go in for life saving surgery than dying of a real heart attack or heart failure.

Most of the consequences of covid are due to government action, not the virus itself.

The governments are suppose to enforce lockdowns/social distancing, but too many idiots still aggressively break them with the sole purpose of trying to infect other people. This is practically the breaking point that makes containing a virus impossible without an option like vaccines.

If people can't follow rules or common decency, then they're about to lose certain privilege like attending concerts or movie theaters without being vaccinated. Disrespecting the health of the community is just as egregious as someone taking their expensive sports car and driving it up and down a school zone until they run into a child. No, enough of this unlimited libertarian foolishness.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How do you even tell the difference between a "rushed" vaccine and a non-rushed one?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

 

we do not see millions of people being buried in the ground, Jim Jones style, after receiving their vaccine from 6 months ago.

We haven't seen mass death at any point during covid. There has been no spikes or increases in total deaths. From a researcher that analyzed CDC mortality data

Again from JHU. BTW they removed this because it went against the mainstream narrative.

Here's the original article

In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes. Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand’s view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning.

 

If human beings tried to work on projects forever, or perfect them to an absolute T, we would never get anything done. The same thing applies towards medicine. Human beings are dying right now of a global virus. We don't wait 20 years to release a product that is now rendered useless for the people who died waiting for it.

Argumentum ad absurdum. No one said it should take forever but there is a certain amount of time in order to ensure that long-term consequences are negligible. Based on previous vaccine development from live-attenuated vaccines (not mRNA vaccines which are entirely new given that none are in use), this should be 5-10 years or longer. There's nothing special about mRNA vaccines that allows them to be developed faster while maintaining previous standards. Those previous standards for safety have simply been removed.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

Keyword: typical.

Covid-19 has forced every country on Earth to mobilize more resources targeted at healthcare than ever. Had Ebola or even SARS gotten way out of control, I bet there would have been similar push to accelerate a cure or solution meant to stop it. Remember when Trump was in office and he literally signed off "Operation Warp Speed"? That was the government throwing Billions of more dollars at these projects, instead of leaving them with smaller budgets from the past.

We haven't seen mass death at any point during covid.

India was just burning bodies a few months ago because they lifted restrictions way too early. Those photos are still up, and some are even saying they're UNDERCOUNTING, because they have too many bodies they don't know what to even do with them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-on-indias-counting-of-covid-dead

There's nothing special about mRNA vaccines that allows them to be developed faster while maintaining previous standards. Those previous standards for safety have simply been removed

Or science has simply adapted and gotten more efficient? There's no hard timeline that says 10 years always has to be the standard, because every vaccinated country shows no difference if they had somehow waited. That actually represents progress because we've created technology that can now address any new pandemic the moment it's detected, instead of waiting several decades and millions of deaths that could easily have been prevented.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You seem to have difficulties with reading comprehension. No one ever said that a vaccine/gene therapy can't be created faster, the problem is that it won't be meeting the same standards that previous therapies had to meet.

Throwing money at something cannot accelerate a timeline that has fixed time points for certain metrics, i.e. long-term consequences that don't show up acutely. These have simply been ignored and bypassed.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I also took a look at your article on U.S deaths.

Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

It was not unusual that people who were suffering from a previous illness were finally pushed to the brink of the death when they caught Covid. I actually know of a famous example. There was a video game voice actor I liked who was battling other illnesses like stroke and cancer. Miraculously enough, he was still able to pull through. But once he contracted Covid-19, he was forced to be completely bed ridden and later died in hospital.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_May#Death_and_legacy

So no, it's incorrect to say Covid never killed anyone just because they might have been sick with something else before. But here's something I don't get. If we know old people are already at risk or suffering from some other illness, why did anti-maskers and other disease spreaders still feel compelled to spread their sickness to them? The point of mandatory self isolation is to keep the most vulnerable population who is at risk, safe. But since selfish assholes couldn't do that, they got my friend Rick May killed when he might have still been alive today.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again, your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I never said it didn't kill anyone, I said that for a pandemic there doesn't seem to be any evidence of increased deaths. You seem to suffer from selective reading dyslexia.

If we know old people are already at risk or suffering from some other illness, why did anti-maskers and other disease spreaders still feel compelled to spread their sickness to them?

Non sequitur. From your own link:

May suffered a stroke in February 2020 and was moved to a nursing home for rehabilitation. On April 8, 2020, it was reported that May had died due to complications related to COVID-19 at Swedish Medical Center in Seattle.[6][12]

How do you know who gave it to him? No vaccine existed at the time so you can't blame antivaxxers, and you have zero evidence of contact tracing in his death.