Eugenics

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[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Race mixing is a form of negative eugenics (disgenics?). Jews love race mixing.

I agree, but what's your point? That we somehow can't both oppose race mixing as well as other dysgenic pratices that don't involve race mixing, and shouldn't make efforts (eugenics) to counter it? Jews also love dysgenics in general (when imposed on goyim). What the Jews are pushing isn't eugenics in our "far-right" sense of the term, but rather dysgenics. I'm still curious to hear examples of recent eugenics policies in Western countries determined to improve the genetic quality of the population that were allowed to pass.

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The issue is how do you define high and low quality people? If you want to ban sub-85 IQs and violent criminals from reproducing, sure, but when I hear "eugenics" I think you're talking about much more than just that.

You're damn right I do. I also want to ban anti-whites/race traitors, anti-eugenics activists, the disabled, the mentally ill, sociopaths/psychopaths, structural welfare recipients and people with severe genetic disorders/diseases from reproducing.

I'm also strongly in favor any incentive to make the most intelligent, physically strongest, physically healthiest, mentally healthiest, most attractive, most brave, most ethnocentric/nationalistic/pro-white, most high-trust, most low-time preference, most high-trust, least anti-social, most difficult to brainwash, most creative and most productive white people reproduce as much as possible.

All of this shouldn't be controversial whatsoever from a nationalist, pro-white perspective, and is only considered evil/taboo due to the woke, kosher, radically egalitarian, ethnomasochistic post-WW2 narrative forced upon our people.

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The only "Whites" with IQs lower than 85 would be retards, who are genetic dead ends

Just because they're retarded doesn't mean they can't and won't reproduce. There are plenty of whites with an IQ below 85 reproducing, definitely at higher rates than whites with an IQ above 115, and there are even more whites within the 85-100 IQ range reproducing, especially since our current governments disproportionately reward low-skilled workers and welfare reciepients for reproducing.

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Having Whites reproduce with Whites leads to better Whites 90% of the time. The only things that throw a wrench in this are Jewish things like drugs, alcohol, poverty, etc. which hold back and/or dumb down smart, low class Whites.

You've made blaming Jews so much the focal point of your worldview that you've come all the way round to being a radical egalitarian leftist who downplays genetic differences within the white race itself and assumes that all shortcomings within the white race must be entirely a product oppression.

Yes, us whites are on average superior to most other races, but that doesn't change anything about the fact that there are superior and inferior people in every race. Jews just weaponize the existence of white people who are low-IQ and/or predisposed to drug addiction and alcoholism, to weaken the white race, by artificially making those types of white people reproduce more than high-quality white people.

No offense, but this is basically just a nigger mentality, and niggers having this mentality is why they'll never succeed without outside help. Niggers are so convinced that everything bad that happens to them is entirely a product of white oppression, to the point that they're completely unwilling to acknowledge any genetic causes of their shortcomings, and thus are unwilling to support means like eugenics to improve themselves.

Jews, of course, love this because they couldn't keep weaponizing niggers against whites if niggers stopped being niggers and started improving their own race instead of assuming it's all whitey's fault. I'm by no means saying Jews aren't keeping us down (because they do) and that we should stop calling them out for it or shouldn't try to stop them, but this isn't mutually exclusive to recoginizing the flaws within our own race and trying to fix them (with eugenics) rather than sticking our heads in the sand.

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Another point, everything has unintended consequences. Messing with genetics (directly or indirectly) is something you only want to do if you absolutely need to and have a good reason for.

Was the rigorous eugenic natural selection the last Ice Age subjected our distant ancestors who entered Europe to, which was responsible for creating the white race in the first place, "messing with our genetics"? Because my eugenics proposal would basically just emulate this Ice Age selection pressure, except maybe faster and more efficiently. What's truly messing with our genetics is the opposite of what I propose: The current dysgenics selection due the absence of natural selection combined with actively rewarding low-quality white people for reproducing over high-quality white people.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That we somehow can't both oppose race mixing as well as other dysgenic pratices that don't involve race mixing, and shouldn't make efforts (eugenics) to counter it?

You don't need eugenics to counter it, simply stopping it by preventing race mixing and kicking out the mulattos/octaroons/non-Whites should put a stop to it. Most Whites, even in the US, are like 95+ percent White, and in a country with very few/no non-Whites and illegal race mixing that percentage will only grow over time. The average IQ in America, not separated by race, is approx. 100 and without non-Whites in the picture that number would probably be somewhere in the ballpark of 105-110.

Dissident values render active eugenic policies useless, because those on the "alt right" tend to have values that are passively eugenic anyway. Lazy negrified losers who do nothing but sit around and leech off of welfare would die out, literally or metaphorically, rendering half your argument null. We wouldn't need to prevent them from breeding because they would either be killed, locked up, or starve (or get off their ass and be useful), not to mention that such traits aren't really genetically decided anyway.

Jews just weaponize the existence of white people who are low-IQ and/or predisposed to drug addiction and alcoholism, to weaken the white race, by artificially making those types of white people reproduce more than high-quality white people.

Predisposition to vice is probably a thing, but in a society where drugs and alcohol are non existent and/or heavily restricted and policed it's a moot point.

You say it isn't entirely the Jews, but that isn't true. 90% of the issues are primarily or at least partially caused by the Jews. Laziness and vice have less to do with genetics and more to do with upbringing and societal influence. Although I'm certain these things have some genetic influence, fixing society and instilling proper values in the population is much easier and I'd wager FAR more effective than any active eugenics program could ever manage. The Jews and their extreme influence over society, degradation of values, spreading anti-ethical and anti-cultural elements like rap music and progressivism and other dogshit into society are the chief reason for White failures in the modern age (and before) and if you deny this you are implicitly anti-White and pro-Jew.

Trying to rid the White race of the problems you posed and other similar issues will only work if you attack the source of the issue. The source of the issue is not genetics, it is the Jew. Genetics are a part of it, but they are a symptom (a symptom that creates a second layer of symptoms). I agree we must end Jewish Dysgenics at all costs, but the solution is to get rid of the Jews and their lies, not further harm our birthrates and image among Whites by proving (in their eyes) the Jews' lies about fascism/the Dissident Right.

You've made blaming Jews so much the focal point of your worldview that you've come all the way round to being a radical egalitarian leftist who downplays genetic differences within the white race itself and assumes that all shortcomings within the white race must be entirely a product oppression.

Firstly, if anybody has opinions that make them similar in practice to a "radical egalitarian leftist" it's you. I'm a monarchist and do believe in strict hierarchy, but unlike you, I recognize that despite any efforts on our part, there will always be disparity and there needs to be disparity for hierarchy, and therefore society, to form. Trying to eliminate degenerate genetic influence within the White race is a good idea and should be pursued to an extent, but obsessing over minor flaws that can be solved in much better ways should not be the focus.

Jews, of course, love this because they couldn't keep weaponizing niggers against whites if niggers stopped being niggers

Whites for the most part don't act like nogs, despite the Jews best efforts. You're vastly overblowing the amount of Whites who act like this. Most Whites are semi-normal, semi-functional people, it's just that the "Florida Man" White trash are reported on more frequently so they seem like a much bigger issue than they actually are. If you compare the amount of willingly low-class, low-IQ, etc. to functioning, productive Whites the ratio is overwhelmingly in favor of the latter, and in a properly set up nation without Jewish moral, ethical, and social rot the former group would be so infinitesimal that would in effect not matter.

Was the rigorous eugenic natural selection the last Ice Age subjected our distant ancestors who entered Europe to, which was responsible for creating the white race in the first place, "messing with our genetics"?

(Assuming that the modern conception of the events are accurate,) No, because it was a natural event, not a man-made one. Active eugenics would be a man-made event and therefore would more easily bring about unintended consequences and side-effects. The more direct your interference genetics, the worse those effects become, which is one of many reasons I'm also against any significant level or gene editing.

Because my eugenics proposal would basically just emulate this Ice Age selection pressure, except maybe faster and more efficiently.

If you believe in Darwinian evolution (i.e. it takes a long ass time for even tiny changes to take place), then even making it more efficient by many times would still result in an unsustainably long-term project.