Eugenics

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You're moving the goalpost. First you said we specifically need retards and schizos, now you're saying we need "divergent" whites. There are plenty of "divergent" whites who don't have a low IQ or harmful mental illnesses, and there's no reason why the same type of potentially beneficial mutations couldn't also develop from them. No offense, but this just seems like a big cope.

You are simply wrong in your analysis. You need a drop in fitness to explore the fitness space. Two normal whites wont produce a child in another local optimum. You are saying that these beneficial mutations can happen in normal whites, but this is wrong/unlikely. It is a cope to rationalize why you actually totally aren't wrong and why you totally don't need to change your perspective of evolution.
Normal whites will produce children in the range of normal whites shown on the picture. Some normal whites will produce offspring that end up outside the range of normal and they have lower fitness than everyone else.
To reach another local optimum, you must climb to the other hill top and you do that by first going down in fitness and then up in fitness.
You don't do that by randomly having offspring by normal whites, because as demonstrated by the plot, they will land in the normal range with FEW outliers in the 2 divergent zones.

I'm going to sleep but will reply tomorrow

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are simply wrong in your analysis.

Not an argument.

You need a drop in fitness to explore the fitness space.

Why? Be honest, do you actually just counter-signal eugenics because you're against it on religious grounds? Because it really seems so.

PS: I edited my linked comment to add more detail.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why?

Because normal whites will produce whites in the normal range. Classic eugenics will produce kids that are close to PERFECT in that local optimum, look at the picture. It will cut off the divergent zones and likely also limit the range of "normal whites" so that most whites will now be located in a much smaller range but all closer to the local optimum (top of the hill). This will increase the AVERAGE fitness of the population by a lot, which will look good, short term. The moment the environment changes, your population is doomed (if this is unclear to you, why that is, then I can try to explain it tomorrow thoroughly, it is not intuitive, if you do understand it, then I wont waste time to explain).

However you will never move outside of this hill, because natural selection SELECTS the MOST fit, ie. the local optimum and offspring of normal whites only fall within a small range. You wont suddenly have a white baby pop up randomly in another local optimum. Example: humans wont get bird offspring.

Be honest, do you actually just counter-signal eugenics because you're against it on religious grounds?

No, i'm not really religious. My Christianity posts mostly comes from the fact that jews really hate Christianity and christians. More so than white people. I'm pro white, and my antiwhite enemies hate Christians. So I've been exploring that area because of that.
And I am not against eugenics.

An example of using misfits to create better robots:
They optimized the perfect program to run 4 legs efficiently, keep balance, fast movementspeed, and so on. They ran millions of iterations and found the 1 perfect configuration which was VASTLY superior to everything else. The robot walked soo smoothly.
Then it lost power to one of its legs, and the robot crashed, because it didn't know how to balance with only 3 legs.

But here is the thing, one of the other millions of iterations was PERFECT for balancing 3 legs only, and HORRIBLE for 4 legs. It was one of the first iterations that they removed from considerations because it had such a bad fitness score.
But .... by keeping this unfit, divergent, configuration, they had a much more robust robot. Now it could run smoothly with 4 legs, and if it lost control over 1 of the 4 legs, it could divert control to the "bad" configuration, that was perfect for that job.

Moral of the story: When the environment changes, something that was previously perfect, might be very frail in a new environment.
You want a gene pool to be robust to changes in the environment. This is a good argument for diversity and for not mixing too much.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There has never been an environment where the dumb, the weak, the mentally ill and the unhealthy had an evolutionary advantage over others, let alone an environment where being smart, strong, sane and physically healthy was a death sentence, and there never will be. This is pure theoretical drivel with no real-life implications, and sounds like it comes straight out of a woke pro-dysgenics anti-ableism community on tiktok or instagram.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yet baboons outcompete chimps in Africa

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is that relevant to this conversation? Seems like a false equivalence. We aren't chimps or baboons, we are humans and we can use intelligence, physical strength, and technology we produce to our advantage in order to shape our environment, flee dangerous environments and fight off (and if necessary eliminate) external threats.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It is a cope to rationalize why you actually totally aren't wrong and why you totally don't need to change your perspective of evolution.

Again, not an argument. Just more ad nauseam.

Normal whites will produce children in the range of normal whites shown on the picture. Some normal whites will produce offspring that end up outside the range of normal and they have lower fitness than everyone else.

We don't want to select for "normal" whites, we want to select for the smartest, strongest, physically healthiest, most sane, most cooperative, most self-sufficient, most ethnocentric, and most attractive whites. These whites will in turn become the new "normal" whites, and the cycle continues. The hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection in humans has proven that this works, or else whites and East-Asians couldn't have evolved from their sub-Saharan African ancestors in the way they did.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We don't want to select for "normal" whites, we want to select for the smartest, strongest, physically healthiest, most sane, most cooperative, most self-sufficient, most ethnocentric, and most attractive whites. These whites will in turn become the new "normal" whites, and the cycle continues. The hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection in humans has proven that this works, or else whites and East-Asians couldn't have evolved from their sub-Saharan African ancestors in the way they did.

The smartest etc are the top of the hill in that local optimum. Do you understand this concept?

The rest of your comment shows a total lack of understanding of human evolution.
We, whites and asians, exist precisely because of intermixing with OTHER species. It is actually a huge loss for humanity that these other species don't exist anymore.
When it becomes ice age time again, we got to hope that we can survive this climate. Our family species definitely could survive those climates and out intermixing with them allowed us to survive and outcompete them as the climate changed. At this point we wont know if we will survive the next ice age, becuase the humans that did survive the last ice age are extinct now. We killed and outbred them.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The smartest etc are the top of the hill in that local optimum. Do you understand this concept?

No, intelligence is just pattern recognition, ability to comprehend and synthesize new infromation, and problem-solving. Those are traits that universally give those who are high in them an advantage over those who are low in them, not just in the current particular environment. It's just that in colder (and thus harsher) climates those traits give even more of an advantage than in the tropics.

The rest of your comment shows a total lack of understanding of human evolution.

Ad hominem.

When it becomes ice age time again, we got to hope that we can survive this climate.

If we were to enter another ice age, the dumb, the mentally ill, the weak and the uncooperative in northern parts of the world would be culled from the gene pool again, just like the last ice age did (which resulted in whites).

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your understanding of evolution is at baby level. It is really quite sad.

I might do some longer posts later this summer to give an introduction level understanding of how population genetics work. It will likely benefit the sub overall

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your understanding of evolution is at baby level. It is really quite sad.

No, you're just a gaslighting piece of trash, who has to resort to ad hominems like this to make himself appear like he's in the right. Let's face it, you're just against eugenics because you're a weird schizo who literally thinks whites are Israelites, and therefore you would never be allowed to reproduce under any sane eugenics policy. Go fuck yourself.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It couldn't possibly be because you think evolution is linear, ever improving.

Your thinking: "Evolution is survival of the fittest"
"The strongest survive"

Evolution = improvement over time.

This is how you see it. Binary thinking.