They laugh at us

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You're so BASED, bro!
Jews hate Christians and Christianity, because Jesus told them that they are not the chosen people and that they do not belong to Israel, but to the devil, their father.

I was looking into how Christians justified violence in historic times and thought why not look up the first crusade? https://www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/calling-for-the-first-crusade

"For how can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch"

Baseness: The quality or condition of being base. The quality of being unworthy to hold virtues or value.

Congrats to all of us for calling each other unworthy of virtues.

Nick Fuentes popularized calling alt right ideas BASED. What a BASED catholic.
I like Nick and he has great appeal, and I don't want to accuse everyone of being "secretly jewish", because I don't think Nick is. He's trying his best to spread his ideas in a good manner and he is doing an excellent job, but I think language is one of the most important aspects of their control.

If anyone is based its leftists.

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[–]Girondin 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm very confused on what you mean. Languages evolve. "based" comes from hip-hop culture originally meaning "crackhead" but eventually evolved into positive connotations divorced from drug addiction, like "punk" which went from meaning effeminate homosexual to being cool.

most slang has pretty "cringe" origins, I personally still prefer "redpilled"

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I do not like the term based, but it grows on me because Devon Stack constantly uses the term. I think right-wing should be used as a distinction from conservative. Not conservative, but right-wing.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

If you say something over and over again it still doesn't make it true. Jews created their religion so they could call themselves 'chosen people' and trying to appropriate such nonsense is cringeworthy IMO.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Christianity was rooted in Gnosticism before it was corrupted by Judaism. Today its nothing more than a religion designed to uplift/promote the worship of the so-called, "Chosen People." Take a look at how Samuel Untermeyer funded the creation of the Scofield Bible. https://rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you're a Christian and Jews don't make your blood boil, you're not Christian.

In fatc, if you are anything and Jews don't make your blood boil with hatred, you're either a sociopath or a Jew.

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or naive. Or ignorant.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Christianity is cringeworthy? Jesus is cringeworthy?

Judaism was created after Christianity. It was created for those jews that weren't jews by blood & spirit but who called themselves jews because they lived in Judea and followed Judean law. Jews were annoyed that Jesus, the Messiah and the God of Israel, told them that they weren't a part of the Chosen Race, because they were mixed/edomites/foreigners, ie. not pure in spirit.

It is the same in Denmark. A turk who moves to Denmark might call himself a Dane, but he is not a Dane, even if he calls himself that. The same is true of Jews. They lived in Judea, but they weren't Judeans. The same is true for an Edomite who moves to Judea, he might call himself a Judean, but he is still just an edomite.
They got so mad at Jesus and Rome that they created a new religion where they were the chosen people. Yes, it is cringeworthy, but they that's what they did. And they have held a grudge for 2000 years now.

Jews have 50% caananite blood, because they are mixed. They are not Israelites and they still reject the Messiah to this day, because he rejected them.

From the link in OP:

Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved by Godas shines forth in very many of your works set apart from all nations by the situation of your country, as well as by your catholic faith and the honor of the holy church!

Franks are Israelites, chosen race.

From the confines of Jerusalem and the city of Constantinople a horrible tale has gone forth and very frequently has been brought to our ears, namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire

That land which as the Scripture says "floweth with milk and honey," was given by God into the possession of the children of Israel

Israel belongs to Christians, the children of Israel, the chosen Race, the promised Race. Not to the Jews, whom are children of the devil, as Jesus puts it.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I don't understand your position and would love you to clarify. Jews have undoubtedly created religions, ideologies and ways of life that are intensely ethnocentric -- we're all fans of KMac's trilogy surely. Christianity was the exception to the creation of ideas of the ancient Judeans/Israelites ideas though given it was universal though in my opinion not egalitarian -- we can debate that later. No orthodox interpretation until the Protestant revolution from my understanding considered 'Jews' themselves the Chosen and regularly maintained that the people of Christ, those who believe in him, are the people of Salvation. I.E the Israelites or Chosen. In fact Christ himself rebukes the Pharisees -- the progenitors of Judaism -- for telling Him that salvation comes through ancestry alone and responds that belief is salvation in the book of John which is firmly opposed to Judaism and contains some of the most 'anti-Semitic' statements imaginable. In other words Christ himself and nearly all of the people who followed him specifically said that you are not chosen just because you're related to Aaron. In fact in all of world history the most Counter-Semitic force -- despite its flaws -- has been the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

So to your point why did the Jews create a religion so hostile to them and their interests?

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The big deception was combining the old testament with the new. The two books are diametrically opposed. The New Testament is not and never was part of the old testament. Remember, it was the Romans who decided what books would comprise the Bible. However, before the Romans gave us the Bible, the Zealots/Pharacies designed a neo-Christianity that combined the Jewish Torah with the Gnostic teachings of Christ and his disciples. By combining their religious book with the Gnostic teachings they hoped to co-opt Christianity in an attempt to gain allies/foot-soldiers in their fight against Rome. They lost their fight against Rome but, the religion remained. The Romans tamed the religion by eradicating (book-burning) all the Gnostic teachings and then rewrote many of them.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't have time to respond to this right now but I'll get to it when I come back from work.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So to your point why did the Jews create a religion so hostile to them and their interests?

Convincing your entire race that you're God's chosen people has a fairly obvious morale boost. Even if unforeseen consequences lead to a divergent faction against them. I'm under the impression Jews wrote the old testament in their favor. As another poster pointed out there seems to be opposing views from the old testament and new. Yet still, correct me if I'm wrong, many Christians still follow the old testament.

No orthodox interpretation until the Protestant revolution from my understanding considered 'Jews' themselves the Chosen and regularly maintained that the people of Christ, those who believe in him, are the people of Salvation.

From my research 'chosen people' comes from the Book of Deuteronomy which was composed in Jerusalem in the 7th century BCE. This belief could well have been common amongst them before this interpretation.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And there's your problem. Jews didn't live in Jerusalem in the 7th century BC.
They were edomites that came to Judea around 150 bc, forced to live there by babylon or assyria or something like that, forgive my memory, and they were happy to do so and follow the judean laws because it was the land of their ancestors -- but here is the thing. Jacob is the promised son, Jacob is Israel, and Edomites aren't of Jacob.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yet still, correct me if I'm wrong, many Christians still follow the old testament.

Again Protestants have tended to look more to that book for instruction which is why you have people springing up in the 17th century in England and elsewhere with names like 'Ezekiel' and 'Zedekiah' and so forth but the orthodox interpretation of the OT is complex and it's not at all taken as a prescriptive book of morals in its whole. There's incest, mass slaughter, rape, polygamy and whole raft of other things in the OT that no Catholic or Orthodox Christian subscribes to.

From my research 'chosen people' comes from the Book of Deuteronomy which was composed in Jerusalem in the 7th century BCE. This belief could well have been common amongst them before this interpretation.

Yes see dual covenant theology which is the basis for things like Christian Zionism. It's a heresy and no Catholic -- Nostra Aetate notwithstanding -- can agree with the idea that the people of the Holy Covenant aren't Christians alone. In Orthodox and Catholic teaching the 'Chosen People' are literally Christians. It's called in Covenant Theology supersessionism and the idea is that the covenant of the OT has been superseded by Christ's covenant with Christians. In fact there are entire debates in the New Testament including ones between Jesus Himself where he rebukes his disciples for attempting to make the faith one meant only for Jews. It's actually an ongoing debate in the NT and a source of conflict which was ultimately solved until the arrival of Protestantism 1600 years after the fact.

Christianity wasn't created to make the Jews the 'Chosen' in fact it's the opposite.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In fact there are entire debates in the New Testament including ones between Jesus Himself where he rebukes his disciples for attempting to make the faith one meant only for Jews.

Would you mind sharing those verses? Did you verify the translations?

Note in Christianity jews are Christians. You cannot be a jew and not be a Christian.
In Denmark we have jyder, fynboer, sjællændere. You cannot be a jyde without being a Dane. If you are not a Dane, then you are not a jyde.
The same logic applies to Christians. If you are not a Christian, you cannot be a jew.

Those that then call themselves jews against the word of God are obviously heretics, deceivers, liars, children of the devil, who is the father of all lies.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Acts and Galatians is full of arguments about this very issue which firmly fall down on the side of there being no specialness to Jewishness within Christianity. In terms of the translations this is just Christian orthodoxy. I personally haven't verified the translations given I don't speak Ancient Greek. That's what the Church is for.

Note in Christianity jews are Christians. You cannot be a jew and not be a Christian.

Could not disagree more but I don't want to get into a big theological debate.

Dragon are you Christian Identity? If so I have to say then we're just going to politely disagree about the Bible. I've known a few CI guys and I like them and have nothing against them I just think they're wrong about the Bible.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I actually think we're saying the same thing but just in a different way. I'm saying the Chosen are Christians and you are too but you're just wording it differently and saying that means they're the real Jews. Is that correct? If so I think we're kind of basically agreeing I'd just put it in different terms.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, the Chosen are Christians. Christians are the followers of Jesus. Israel is the promised land, the promised Race, the promised people. Through Jacob is the promise inherited.
Christians inherit the promise of God.

Judeans/jews was one tribe of Israel. Jesus came for them (and many others) and they heard him. All Judeans heard the voice of Christ and are hence called Christians today. Liars, who weren't Judeans, that didn't hear the voice of Christ (because Jesus did not come for them) but lived in Judea called themselves Judeans/jews and made a new religion called Judaism.

All Christians are the Chosen. Fake jews that believe in Judaism are not jews nor Chosen.

I believe we are saying the same thing too just in different terms. I don't mean to say that All Christians = real jews, but all real jews are Christians.

Christianity came before Judaism

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Christianity came before Judaism

Agreed. Necessarily within the logic of Christian theology the faith of Abraham, David and Moses MUST be the same as Christ. It's all Christianity or what would become known as Christianity just in different forms. Jews and bad detractors of Christianity always make the mistake of saying that Moses and others were practicing 'Judaism' which doesn't make any sense within a Christian framework.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a lot more to get into if we want to unravel the origins of the Jews and/or Israelis. I think its best to go back to the sons of Noah and look at the areas they were promised by, "God." The Table of Nations is a good place to start. http://www.ldolphin.org/ntable.html

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

CHosen through a spiritual convenant with Christ.

What is your take on Jews being Edomites?

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Edomites were almost certainly descendants of Shem the same as Hebrews and Ishmaelites.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are all saying the same thing.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First, the word Jew did not exist in biblical times. So, the modern Jews are today, who were they 1000 years ago? Were they the Pharisees? Or are they merely a converted people who have no right to Israel nor the promised kingdom if they reject Christ.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've never used the word 'based.' It has too much in common with 'woke.'

I dislike these Zoomer-tier meme labels.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Woke works for me. So does leftist swine, leftist pigs, etc.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Catch words, phrases and slogans have a purpose because they are a great way to unite the 85-100 IQ--it gives them a feeling of belonging/community. I agree that the word, "Based," is cringe but, considering the stupidity of the masses I doubt any of them will bother reading it's definition and/or entomology.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, I agree, those of us with >130 IQ which is most on this sub, should strive to control our flock better as the shepherds we are, to use the words of Urban II. Our language has been so subverted it is actually insane. Our thinking is subsumed by leftist thought and our words and language is jewish to the root. They shape the narrative through media and education, and through this they subvert our language and thereby our thoughts.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most people here do not have >130 IQ:

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/5a8i/iq_leaderboard/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Intelligence means nothing without virtuous spirit from God backing it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like Nick and he has great appeal, and I don't want to accuse everyone of being "secretly jewish", because I don't think Nick is.

He might be a Sephardi but who knows. He certainly isn't a traditional Catholic and Maurice Pinay exposed him on twitter and his blog. Fuentes also has direct connections to David Horowitz and various MIGA, MAGA Jews that he seems to have a liking for.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Catholic encyclical WOKE