Présidente Le Pen: Can Marine Make It?

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    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    I disagree completely. Gone are the days of optics. Speak clearly, speak truthfully, speak with the terms that the leftists do not want us to use.

    They have no power over us. The majority is with us too, instinctively. The more they lie about us or the terms we use, the easier it is to break people out of their grip. They will have to force us to comply and when they inevitably use force, this proves our point entirely.

    When they start using force, when they start jaling people etc. They cannot hide behind "naivity and goodness of their hearts" rhetoric that they abuse fully currently. They are totalitarians, they are complicit in the genocide of our peoples and we need to force them to go mask off.

    Refusing to bow in any shape or form to their genocidal demands is the way for us to force their hands. They are weak, they are desperate and they do not have the support of the people.

    The great replacement is exactly what it says it is. Those that deny it and promote immigration are complicit in genocide. Nothing less. And they ought to be dealt with accordingly: death penalty. This should be the message moving forward, not bowing to their "oh you are so offensive". No, THEY are offensive, THEY are genocidal maniacs. They need to be put in jail as the bare minimum for their actions and for their hate speech. Death penalty can come later. Those who want to fight us on this are complicit. They ask us to deny the genocide of our peoples and this is a demand that we cannot live with (literally).

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      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      What you speak of was exactly the strategy of her father who never got anywhere politically

      Never got anywhere politically? Dude he was basically in the exact same position Marine is now in 2000 and is responsible for everything that's happening now. Without Jean-Marie none of this would be happening.

      You fucking optics fags are just snakes. You stand on the shoulders of giants and then denounce the people who are responsible for your fucking success as if you're some new fangled solution to the problem of right wing politics.

      You're nearly as bad as conservatives.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Jean le Pen got a mere 17% of the vote in the second round in 2002, Marine got 34%. But this can probably be chalked up more to the rising anti-Islamic and anti-leftist reaction in French society than Marine's strategies

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      *2002

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ok

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        [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        You are correct, but I personally think that those men were more charismatic and vote-worthy than Le Pen and Salvini. They had honesty and courage. The current rise of the European populists is honestly more due to the great replacement being in a more advanced state now, the refugee crisis, the internet, and the escalation from the left.

        They simply lived at a bad time. It's like Rockwell and Yockey. They lived in a time when America had a golden age and everyone was content with the status quo. They could've struck gold today. or William Pierce who lived in an age before the internet. He could've gathered a following of millions today.

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          [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Zemmour getting 17% out of nowhere is very high. He's also a brilliant intellectual and polemicist. He would crush Macron in a debate.

          By the way, the fact that he gets 5% more than Mélenchon is astonishing.

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            [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            So far, yes. But if Zemmour had more political capital he could be even better.

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              [–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Well said 👍🏻

              [–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              You're right. Given the context of the french political system.

              [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              A Le Pen victory would be a big deal and everyone in the Eurocracy knows it.

              [–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              This would put the EU into a tailspin.

              Nationalists are not pro EU, a Frexit could be on the cards. At the very least she'll be siding with the Eastern and Southern EU countries about putting an end to mass migration into Europe from 'refugees'.

              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I doubt she'd do Frexit, Brexit has made leaving the European Union unpopular in the rest of the EU members due to the economic effects. Especially since Le Pen is not seemingly a neoliberal like the UK Tories or Nigel Farage so the main economic aspects of leaving the EU (deregulation) would not be as politically appealing. Third country/non-EEA migration is a national competency anyway, so legal immigration reform for the third world can be done regardless of the EU, while I doubt EU/EEA open borders is not really something the French oppose as much unlike the British.

              It would probably be more viable and more likely anyway for her to stay within Europe and push a soft Eurosceptic line, trying to push for limiting the powers of the EU Commission and EU Parliament, pushing back against integration, hardline on migration and maybe reducing the liberal agenda of the organisation. France has a lot of sway on its own within the organisation on its the 2nd largest EU economy and the strongest military, plus it has current right-wing governments such as Poland, Hungary, Austria and sometimes the Czech Republic as well as potential future ones like Italy and even Sweden which could back it up.

              [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Frexit won't solve anything.