Which West German Chancellor would you say is most responsible for mass immigration into Germany?

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No Slavs were ever killed for being Slavs by Nazis. A genocidal goal of exterminating 'subhuman" slavs is Soviet propaganda. What ever the true death toll is it was caused by war and the USSR's lack of resources to keep its population alive during the struggle not mass murder policies.

They did not erase regional tradition but they rejected any separate nationalist ideology for the various regions of Germany which is a good thing and few Germans had any interest in such things. We need less petty nationalism not more. The real issue for Nazism is it wasn't massified enough and exclusively focused on a new Germany rather than a larger more marketable new Europe goal.

Mass immigration is not just a German issue, in fact Germany is currently better off than many other Western European countries. If Hitler is the cause of German migration policies why is the UK, France, and Sweden even worse? If you are going to blame Nazis for todays immigration problems then you don't understand the liberal capitalist system which was already heading in this direction.

[–]Bagarmoossen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I obviously don't think the Nazis were the sole cause of our current problems but their incompetence and madness has made pro-european and anti-jewish politics unviable for generations. Only now the effects of that trauma are just starting to recede.

Some of the intentions were good, and the sentiments that gave rise to it were mostly positive, but fatal mistakes were made that assured Adolf Hitler would enter the history books as a supervillain figure. Too many of his decisions were simply awful, it's likely he was just batshit insane. As another user pointed out, he was uncultured, fanatic, low class and that was showing in his actions.

Anti-Slavism was absolutely a part of the German völkisch movement at the time, the Nazis brought it to the extreme, in fact one of the reasons for the loss in the war was the fact that instead of embracing the millions of easterners who were ready to welcome Germans as liberators from bolshevism the german leadership decided to treat them like cattle. Nazis treated slavs as if they were negroes.

[–]Ethnosomniator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"because he lost we have to suffer, if only he did not put up a fight...." Really shortsighted.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No Slavs were ever killed for being Slavs by Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany

This is Eric Striker tier denialism

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Expulsions are not equivalent to extermination.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A genocidal goal of exterminating 'subhuman" slavs is Soviet propaganda.

A genocidal campaign did take place under the Pavelic regime. Not to mention the Gertrude plan.

The situation in Poland is what made Wilhelm Canaris object to the goals of the war.