How does the Alt-Right separate genes from free will? And high IQ oppressing Low IQ groups?

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[–]asterias 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

To answer the first part, upbringing and life in general have an impact upon a person, and that impact might even manifest upon his DNA.

As for dystopian turn of things you described, currently western society actually oppresses high IQ groups.

I don't know what "Alt-Right" officially thinks about this, as it's mainly an American movement, so my opinion reflects just my opinion.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

To answer the first part, upbringing and life in general have an impact upon a person, and that impact might even manifest upon his DNA.

I've heard this argument before, but it's not really an Alt-right position. Especially when they believe it's 80% genetics that explains human behavior, and only 20% environmental factors. But even if I accept your answer, what are we suppose to do with people who commit crimes? Someone could grow up in a bad environment, but how many children below the age of 18 ever had a choice in where they live? That's almost always up to the parents....

As for dystopian turn of things you described, currently western society actually oppresses high IQ groups.

Can I get some hard examples of this? High IQ groups clearly dominate the most affluent aspects of society so it sounds to me they're writing laws that hate themselves? Even the most hardcore affirmative action policies doesn't demand the U.S President must be replaced by someone who can't even tie their shoes together...

Edit: An example of high IQ groups oppressing other high IQ groups are universities. It's not dumb professors who wrote rules that limited Asian American applicants. They both possess similar backgrounds and equal status. But it's more likely to be a nuisance since Asian Americans are not being forced into bankruptcy or experiencing violence from low IQ groups for going to school.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Especially when they believe it's 80% genetics that explains human behavior, and only 20% environmental factors.

No, it's 80% genetics that explains IQ. This does not equal human behavior.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So what do you believe IQ correlates with? For example, someone who was born with a 60 IQ goes on to kill someone. What is the appropriate punishment if they have a hard time understanding laws? Or you have a really low IQ person who resorts to stealing. Would their mental capacity not put them at a disadvantage to understand right from wrong?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So what do you believe IQ correlates with?

Income and success. I'm not gonna go over everything IQ correlates with, do your own research.

For example, someone who was born with a 60 IQ goes on to kill someone. What is the appropriate punishment if they have a hard time understanding laws?

Prison. I don't have empathy for criminals just because they're stupid.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Income and success. I'm not gonna go over everything IQ correlates with, do your own research.

So these people were condemned the day they were born then because they were never going to enjoy the same success that the Elites have.

Prison. I don't have empathy for criminals just because they're stupid.

Imagine being born with a disadvantage that denies you certain opportunities to resist crime? And then going to prison despite not having many other choices in life? You don't have empathy for a self perpetuating cycle that was out of someone's control since birth? It was mentioned before that growing up in a bad environment might push these people into crime, but what if the Elites or Higher IQ take pleasure in these scenarios? For profit prisons become a permanent institution if all you need are low IQ humans to stay in business for example.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For profit prisons become a permanent institution if all you need are low IQ humans to stay in business for example.

I mean, that's the entire point of for-profit prisons and the brainwashing kikes put kids today through with rap and "BLM" and all that bullshit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. We should find common ground that an elite group are therefore profiting from human suffering.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that's a good way to start redpilling leftists. You clue them in to the elite and their pandering, then start about what tribe those elites belong to, and their support for shit like BLM and curtailing of rights/priveleges long afforded to the people.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Someone could grow up in a bad environment, but how many children below the age of 18 ever had a choice in where they live?

One of the 25 points of NSDAP was that gifted children of poor parents should be offered the opportunity to have a proper education.

Can I get some hard examples of this? High IQ groups clearly dominate the most affluent aspects of society so it sounds to me they're writing laws that hate themselves?

In certain European countries, society looks down on scientists and favors nepotism. As a result, the educated are virtually forced to immigration and are constantly substituted by low IQ "refugees" from the third world, who are considered more valuable for the economy. And that's because society sees value only in manual labor.

An example of high IQ groups oppressing other high IQ groups are universities. It's not dumb professors who wrote rules that limited Asian American applicants.

That's an example of a high IQ group oppressed by a group that can't compete, so it creates rules to keep out any competition.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

One of the 25 points of NSDAP was that gifted children of poor parents should be offered the opportunity to have a proper education.

That's a good idea I can agree with.

In certain European countries, society looks down on scientists and favors nepotism. As a result, the educated are virtually forced to immigration and are constantly substituted by low IQ "refugees" from the third world, who are considered more valuable for the economy. And that's because society sees value only in manual labor.

Ehhhhhhhh, I really find it hard to believe High IQ Europeans are oppressed. When exactly did low IQ take over all their jobs and tell them to leave? Off the top my head: Ubisoft, Ferrari, CERN, HSBC, BMW. All these Euro companies are ran by Low IQ and created an environment where only they can thrive or make the most money? Or go to Euro bank and every smart person is going to be denied a loan?

That's an example of a high IQ group oppressed by a group that can't compete, so it creates rules to keep out any competition.

Alright then.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ehhhhhhhh, I really find it hard to believe High IQ Europeans are oppressed. When exactly did low IQ take over all their jobs and tell them to leave? Off the top my head: Ubisoft, Ferrari, CERN, HSBC, BMW.

Europe is not a single country but several countries with vast differences. That's why I said "in certain European countries".

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok, then can you name me one of these countries where Low IQ people run society and the smarter people are struggling to move up in life? It should, for example, be very easy to show smart people mostly filling up prisons, or being forced out onto the streets, if life for them was somehow unbearable or less than perfect.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In European South, thousands of people were beaten and persecuted for demonstrating against the state of corruption and nepotism, thousands of scientists immigrate or are forced to work as waiters while substituted with "refugees", every day you hear about people committing suicide or ending up homeless.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In European South, thousands of people were beaten and persecuted for demonstrating against the state of corruption and nepotism,

Not to downplay any public beatings, but I don't think these activities are exclusive to just one group. Like, I've equally seen protests from immigrants as well whenever they feel they're not being treated right. So there's evidence of a social problem, but not High IQ people are the only targets...

thousands of scientists immigrate or are forced to work as waiters while substituted with "refugees",

Can I have the name of this company that is doing this?

every day you hear about people committing suicide or ending up homeless.

See my comment about the protestors. I bet I can look online right now and find homeless refugees or immigrants being forced to live in camps.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are making assumptions about situations you know nothing about. So keep on "looking online for refugees".

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are making assumptions about situations you know nothing about.

So educate me by at least providing me a source?