Is the collapse of the UK near? Polling shows Scots backing independence by huge margins

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

This is in stark contrast to pre 2020 polls that show Scots rejecting independence by huge margins. Now I know that the crux of the leave UK movement is that they want to stay in the EU, but is there more to it?

I'm sure that the leave faction has a core of leftists and petty nationalists who have wanted out for some time, but what about the new swing? I think a lot of people are genuinely terrified by the insanity coming out of London nowadays.

5 million Hong Kongers, mass lockdowns and what is arguably the most rigid police state and politically correct discourse in the world. Leaving the UK would sever the Scots from the worst excesses coming out of London.

Honestly, the best option for Britain would be to take a Malaysia like situation and kick London out. It would free the Brits from half the diversity and most of the white leftists.

And a Scottish independence would mean the Scotts could then focus on a genuine nationalist party unlike the SNP. Scotland is quite white at 95%. And staying in the EU means more eastern European migration.

The UK seems to have traded Poles for Nigerians after Brexit. The whole point of Brexit seems to be about turning Britain into a lawless shopping mall free of any labor protection of the EU, and to fully subordinate it to American interests.

Boris Johnson may very well turn the UK into airstrip 9, a colony of the US. Its best if Scotland gets off this lunatic ride.

England without Scotland will be interesting though. It will be the least white country in Europe, perhaps tying with France. Wales isn't really high on independence...for now. But its difficult to say whether they'll remain disinterested if Scotland leaves.

Northern Ireland won't leave England under any condition probably.

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[–]PartlyTrue 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Judging by the chatter around me, there's a lot of talk within Britain of separatism in all fronts. Anecdotal, but I know a group of around 50 people who have given up on electoral politics and started their own enclosed economy, where the members support each others businesses and help each other in tax avoidance. They've started buying up land up land and a farm up north to build their own community to wear out the incoming storm of globohomo.

Patriotic Alternative have also shifted their focus onto building a separate nationalist only economy. I think a few of their members are also in talks of purchasing land.

Obviously, this separatist agenda is pushed for differing reasons, but I see great opportunity for nationalists.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's great to hear. Makes me want to head back to the motherland and help them.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I doubt anything will come of it, but if it does happen, it would simultaneously neutralise much of the power of the left in both Scotland and England - the SNP hegemony in Scotland will instantly collapse as soon as they separate and as to England, England itself is the most right wing kingdom in the union, barring perhaps Northern Ireland, so the left would struggle more without Scottish support.

I'm sure that the leave faction has a core of leftists and petty nationalists who have wanted out for some time, but what about the new swing?

Mostly neoliberal youth. Look up age statistics for Scottish independence support - older Scots hate it.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

so the left would struggle more without Scottish support.

Peter Hitchens always makes the joke the Scottish independence is a secret Tory plot and it makes me laugh.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The UK has been on the wrong side of pretty much every conflict in history. Fuck the UK. The Brits will outlast the UK as a political entity.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aren't Scots more Leftist thus more supportive of the nonsense coming from London than the English population?

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting development. Their attitudes have shifted a great deal in the last year.

Will Scotland actually move towards independence, though? Will the people push their politicians hard enough to make it happen? That remains to be seen.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree with the premise about not liking London for its recent policies. Put a creep like Sturgeon in charge and Scotland will be doing everything Johnson is doing but times ten. What's more is I think the Scottish people actually want that as well as a deeper relationship with the EU.

Funnily enough the only people who will actually benefit from Scottish independence will be the Tories.

And a Scottish independence would mean the Scotts could then focus on a genuine nationalist party unlike the SNP.

I think this is extremely wishful thinking. I see absolutely no signs, as of yet, of any genuine nationalist feeling coming from Scotland. Much like the Irish too much of their energy is wasted on petty grievances with the English and not independence and self-determination.