Do you think Communists have more breathing room than the dissident right?

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I'm talking actual Maoist,Stalinist,maybe Leninist sorts not radical liberals, but the true for the working class, seize the means of production,state capitalist/planned economy sorts. Does the enemy regard them as a threat?How strong of a threat?Would it be fruitful as a strategy for us to attempt to mix with these sorts and attempt to infiltrate them in a way?Should we try to take from the Bolsheviks or Maoists or Castro or the Vietnamese?Learn the tactics they used for success, how they won over the populace etc.

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, obviously. Do you see them being deplatformed?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think Communists have more breathing room than the dissident right?

Yes. I've never heard of a FBI entrapment job on a leftist, they're not doxed and harassed, they're not thrown in prison on fictitious charges, they're allowed to have social media, bank accounts, patreon etc etc. They face no persecution whatsoever.

I'm talking actual Maoist,Stalinist,maybe Leninist sorts not radical liberals, but the true for the working class, seize the means of production,state capitalist/planned economy sorts. Does the enemy regard them as a threat? How strong of a threat?Would it be fruitful as a strategy for us to attempt to mix with these sorts and attempt to infiltrate them in a way?

No, none at all but I think it's actually potentially a mistake. Socialists who reject libtardism have more potential than alt liters, conspiratards etc. Jews banned Alex Jones and a bunch of right>nationalist pipeline types and completely ignored the left>nationalist pipeline which actually is where most of the most effective nationalists have come from historically. The funny thing is Marxist/Libtard fake history about fascism being ultracapitalism and shit could actually bite them in the ass in this regard since it's made them completely blind to the possibility of leftists who aren't on the libtard plantation joining up with other dissidents.

Should we try to take from the Bolsheviks or Maoists or Castro or the Vietnamese?Learn the tactics they used for success, how they won over the populace etc.

Of course. Every revolutionary organisation and figure has value, I'd guide you to figures who were in situations more similar to us though with similar kinds of opportunities. We are in a position where we have no elite, international finance or military support so our only option is a mass grassroots populist organisation. Researching guerilla war a la Castro and Che or banker-organised Bolshevism won't really be all that beneficial to us really whereas the NSDAP, PNF, Iron Guard, Hezbollah etc are much more akin to our circumstances so they should be prioritised if you're looking for organisational guidance.

[–]masterclass 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course. They have free reign to be as openly commie as they want. Reddit for example has a ton of commie themed subs, and social media is crawling with commie larpers. You don't see doctors waxing heroic about having to treat a patient with a sickle hand hammer tattoo, even though they killed more people than all other ideologies combined in the last century, and a lot of antifa openly profess to being commie as they attack and riot, something which would net anyone on the right years in prison. Basically the amount of breathing room a movement has is directly proportional to the amount of support or opposition it receives from Jews, because of their wealth, lobbying and media power. Jews still have a soft spot for communism even if they've largely ditched it and moved on, and this is reflected in what we see.

In the likely event judeo-capitalism completely crashes and burns and the people rise up, there are plenty of capitalist Jews that would switch back to Communism in an instant, with the understanding that they would dominate its leadership and still be able to push an ethnic agenda as they did in early Bolshevik Russia. If the nationalist right rose as a result of an economic collapse in the US, this is probably going to be the go to strategy of our Jewish elite. You already see some signs of this, and I dont doubt that if they succeeded the results would be far bloodier than the red terror was.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In regarding from learning from socialist theory, definitely. And by this I don't (just) mean the ideology, many leftist writers have written great theories on social mobilisation and political organisation.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go to university and see for yourself

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Definitely. They are allowed to spread an promote their degenerate shit mostly unhindered. In society they may be derided and scoffed at, but the only people that attack them are people like us (or, rather, feds who pretend to be us, and skinheads/ballsy motherfuckers who can't restrain themselves when they see a dirty little communist rat).

Something to note, is that most of the genuine communists either realize at some point their tanky/ancom friends are psychos and run off to some liberal ideology or to us, or at the very least don't riot in the streets or support murdering their opponents/leaders like the scum that share their failed beliefs.

Should we try to take from the Bolsheviks or Maoists or Castro or the Vietnamese?Learn the tactics they used for success, how they won over the populace etc.

HELL NO. A lot of the tactics they use are underhanded, degenerate, and overall unbecoming of us. Remember GLR's words:

" It is part of the Jews to be sneaky and sly. The genius of our people has ever been joyous strength, robust forcefulness, directness, manly courage, and flaming heroism. When the Jews, with their economic terrorism, jails, bullies and hangmen, scare the White man into laying down his cudgel and goad him into trying to out-sneak Jewish tyranny, the Jews have completely emasculated the once-strong White man, and doomed him to dishonor and defeat. The White man can NEVER win by sneaking!"

These words should be heeded. SOME of their tactics, decisions, etc should be learned from and used but we should be very careful not to turn into degenerates who are robbed of our greatest strengths as Europeans, Whites, etc.

[–]Nasser[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think given the fight we are in, every tactic may have to be put on the table. The common citizen doesn't really care about symbolism or honour.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It isn't really about that though. WHile agree soem level of underhandedness is required, it must be noted that:

  1. Jews are the masters at it, and all the experienced espionage/covert people work for them. Never heard of a CIA agent who is genuinely alt-right.

  2. It is less about honor and symbolism and more about preserving the nature and values of our movement. The Bolsheviks were noted for being underhanded and kneecapping their own allies every chance they got, and treating their members and subjects as cattle to be used as materials rather than treated as humans, members of their own race (although most Bolsheviks were Jews, so that one applies less). Those traits and others are not ones we want to inherit.

  3. Public image and "optics" will matter in any future conflict and in civilian campigning and such. If we start sneaking around doing dirty jewish shit, then people will avoid us and see us as just as bad as them.

All in all, we should balance ourselves: We should definitely not "stand and fight to the last" and let ourselves get destroyed, but we also shouldn't sink to such low levels that our tactics and morale constitution is as low a sthat of the Jews, or anyone near that point.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you serious? There are ALWAYS many Hammer/Sickle flags any time "counter protestors" show up to do preemptive violence and the press can't even be bothered to mention this. OTOH any time anyone larps/false flags with a swastika the press sound the alarm like it's Pearl Harbor. Face it, the Jews who run the media are the same gang that was sympathetic to the Bolsheviks. The left was bombing America left and right, hundreds of actual bombs, in the 60's and it's totally buried, but we have to hear about Emmit Till as if it was this afternoon.

[–]Nasser[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think there is a way we can take advantage of this?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think communists have infiltrated the right. The best thing to do, in my personal opinion, is to look inward and help yourself and community.

Traditionalism is key. Communists use ideological subversion and demoralization to destroy traditionalism.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing with politics, is once a party competes with the Internationalists and cuts into their profits, whether a genuine populist or some other foe to the status quo, assassinations and purges become a daily occurrence.

Both parties, have this veneer of lazy, incompetent parasites who mooch and lobby on behalf of the corporations.

They don't look like killers here, but start to mess with the status quo and they'll kill like no tomorrow.

[–]JohnJohnson11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. I could still browse GenZedong on certain site beginning with R. Couldn't find GenHitler. And it would be banned even if it existed.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are completely contained and have no real critiques of the actual power structure. They oppose those who have actual critiques of the system as it is.

They are safe in the current paradigm, although they are also the most disposable for pushing the narrative. Their safety hinges on their usefulness.

[–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They get cleared out from time to time, but that's only the System's damage control. When it comes down to it, the system doesn't want dissent of any kind. That being said, they definitely get more breathing room, but I'd say that's because they're considered less of a threat to the current order, mostly because they don't actually do anything, and when they do, it actually works in the Systems favour, such as when they advocate anti-white stances that would make Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao cringe. They, whether they realize it or not, are playing into the hands of the Neo-Liberal System and tighten it's grip.

Then you've got guys like Jason Unruhe of Maoist Rebel News (who I kind of like, actually), a Maoist Third-Worldist who is against anti-white rhetoric throughout the Left. That guy is called every buzzword by his own side (racist and even transphobic for some fucking reason). He's practically black-listed among the Far-Left. He actually had a discussion with Richard Spencer, if anybodies interested.

I'd say we can use organisation tactics from Leninism (Vanguardism, Democratic Centralism, etc), but at the end of the day, yes, they are allowed more space than us.