Call for papers: National Socialism and the Third Reich

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[–]antireddit 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

What is the point in endlessly dissecting the Third Reich? You are talking about a regime whose actions resulted in a genocide of the German people, with 11-13 MILLION German deaths, a million more western European deaths, millions of Eastern european deaths, and the near total destruction of Germany itself, and who set off a chain reaction of events that is resulting in the destruction of Western Civilization and the possible extinction of Europeans as a people. Ultimately the Nazis made Jews far more powerful than anyone could have ever dreamed, and we've all been paying the price ever since.

In other words, the Nazis were a complete and total disaster. If there are any lessons to be learned from them, its what NOT to do.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You are talking about a regime whose actions resulted in a genocide of the German people, with 11-13 MILLION German deaths, a million more western European deaths, millions of Eastern european deaths, and the near total destruction of Germany itself

In other words, the Nazis were a complete and total disaster. If there are any lessons to be learned from them, its what NOT to do.

I think if more people in the dissident right had your mentality towards Nazi Germany, many more whites would be more inclined to consider the alt-rights views, or at the minimum alt-lite.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That’s got nothing to do with it.

Whites don’t consider alt-right views simply because they aren’t exposed to them, due to extensive censorship and near total control of the media by the current establishment.

When the internet was still relatively free a few years ago we saw our biggest growth in 70 years. It’s got nothing to do with ‘muh scary nazes!’

The way forward is not through disavowing historical regimes, it’s through a) bottom up community building & b) promoting our own media platforms.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The way forward is not through disavowing historical regimes, it’s through a) bottom up community building & b) promoting our own media platforms.

And refighting WW2 and reforming the Nazis has nothing to do with those goals, and only hamper them. It's at best a distraction and at worst a strategic movement destroying disaster.

[–]ShiversRussia2017 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Debating Nazi apologists is like debating a brick wall, there's no getting through and considering how fragile some of the moderators are regarding them, I'd suggest you back off from discussion from them.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No it's not. Studying how they got into power allows us to engineer tactics and strategy that will help us get into power. Also if you read NS literature and propaganda there's more informative critiques of philosophy, the system etc than 99%+ of shit you find today within all dissident right circles. There's a lot of value from their work, acting like it's worthless just shows your ignorance of it and nothing else.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes, the genocide of 11-13 million Germans was the Germans fault...

Everything you mentioned was going to happen anyway, the world of the 20’s & 30’s was already well on its way to consumer-Capitalist dystopia, at least the NASDAP & the various fascist parties of Europe fought back, & let’s not forget came very close to winning in 1941/1942. Nobody in our camp has ever came closer, so I disagree completely with your conclusion.

So your lesson here is what, be more conservative rather than radical? Or just meekly surrender to the establishment? What exactly are you proposing here?

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No it wasnt the German people's fault, it was the Nazis falling for a trap set for them and then destroying all of Germany when that trap was sprung on them. The Nazis were naive and reckless assholes who produced zero positive long term results and a ton of incredibly negative ones, while managing to get the German people genocided AND demonized.

So your lesson here is what, be more conservative rather than radical? Or just meekly surrender to the establishment? What exactly are you proposing here?

Newsflash: You can be "radical" without being a Nazi. Jews have been propagandizing the Nazis as the ultimate evil for nearly 100 years and have only increased their efforts as their media and internet control has become nearly absolute. Do you honestly think your going to overcome a century of propaganda on the subject, and do you really think that is even necessary?

There is nothing particularly unique about Nazi ideology that requires you to shill for it in order to talk about the things that matter like demographic replacement, Jewish media and financial monopolizing and anti white hatred, tech and media censorship and deplatforming, etc. In doing so you then saddle these issues with Nazi baggage. Something the Jewish elite are keen to do. Why do their work for them? The Nazis never even talked about most of these problems and some of them only became problems due to the wreckage the Nazis caused, and their actions enabling Jews to enshrine themselves as history's greatest victims who can never be criticized because "never again".

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How unbelievably talmudic. How exactly is learning about National Socialism and the third reich in order to further our understanding of the struggle and come up with ways to fight the system 'shilling' for 'Nazi ideology'? No one is even advocating branding as NS or anything of the sort, it's literally a book designed to help people learn more about a historical movement fighting our struggle you're just being dishonest as fuck.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You can learn about it all you want. It's not going to help you much with our current struggle because times have changed so dramatically. Their movement was largely specific to the concerns and attitudes of 1920's Germans, who are a lot different than 2020's Americans or Europeans, and again, the Nazis ultimately failed spectacularly. They managed to bring about what was literally THE worst case scenario. Getting your people geocided AND scapegoated was no easy feat, unprecedented really, but the Nazis managed it.

The Nazis appeal to a certain segment of might makes right chest thumpers who crave decisive confrontation, but who in practice would be the equivalent of a 4 foot tall midget strolling up to a 220 lb mma fighter and saying fight me bro! You guys want to write checks you cant cash. The present situation calls for a different mentality. Instead of this book I recommend reading Machiavelli. When I practiced Judo one of the first things I learned was when you face an opponent stronger than you, you dont try to outmuscle them. You keep them off balance and use their strength against them. If they push, you pull. If they pull, you push. You frustrate them, outsmart them and wear them down and strike when the situation is to your advantage.

You are also wrong in assuming their struggle was the same as our struggle. They wanted to dominate Europe and much of the world. We just want a place to be free from oppression and persecution and be allowed to reach our potential free from the endless subversion of a hostile group that seems to want to simultaneously leach off us and destroy us. Our goals are much more modest and achievable.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can learn about it all you want. It's not going to help you much with our current struggle because times have changed so dramatically. Their movement was largely specific to the concerns and attitudes of 1920's Germans, who are a hell of a lot different than 2020's Americans or Europeans

Completely wrong. The exact same people are in power, with the same ideologies and mechanisms just further evolved. Take person A and B, person A is like you who doesn't bother reading analysis, rhetoric etc from the 20th century nationalists who fought Finance and rather just reacts to the news on their own, discusses on forums but person B reads various 3p movements' literature and propaganda whilst listening to podcasts by guys who've done the same. Let 6 months pass of spending the same amount of time pursuing their approaches. I guarantee you person B will be miles ahead of you in understanding the system and being able to formulate better arguments against it.

Instead of this book I recommend reading Machiavelli.

You are also wrong in assuming their struggle was the same as our struggle. They wanted to dominate Europe and much of the world. We just want a place for to be free from oppression and persecution and be allowed to reach our potential free from the endless subversion of a hostile group that seems to want to simultaneously leach off us and destroy us. Our goals are much more modest and achievable.

If only you knew the irony of this. Machiavelli is famous for being a political realist, for stripping away the bullshit and focusing solely on how to acquire power. There is no 'just leave us along pwease jews', there is only power. The only way to secure our existence is by having a state with the necessary power to resist the power of Finance's empire.

You should read Schmitt, Yockey, and re-read Machiavelli once you've finished them.

the Nazis ultimately failed spectacularly. They managed to bring about what was literally THE worst case scenario. Getting your people genocided AND scapegoated was no easy feat, unprecedented really, but the Nazis managed it.

Even if this dumbass cartoon history was right it wouldn't change the fact that there's tonnes to learn from their critiques, analysis, rhetoric, strategy, tactics etc.

The Nazis appeal to a certain segment of might makes right chest thumpers who crave decisive confrontation, but who in practice would be the equivalent of a 4 foot tall midget strolling up to a 220 lb mma fighter and saying fight me bro! You guys want to write checks you cant cash. When I practiced Judo one of the first things I learned was when you face an opponent stronger than you, you dont try to outmuscle them. You keep them off balance and use their strength against them. If they push, you pull. If they pull, you push. You frustrate them, outsmart them and wear them down and strike when the situation is to your advantage.

This gave me second hand embarrassment to read. What point are you even trying to make? You're making some retarded strawman which doesn't even apply to natsocs it applies to weird racist libtards and reactionaries with the might makes right shit. Then this judo bullshit? What are you talking about? You think we're going to trick capitalism, liberalism and jews into giving up their power over us? This 'analogy' reeks of autistic fantasy.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

National Socialism and the third reich are not the same.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Did you mean to reply to me?

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, you said How exactly is learning about National Socialism and the third reich in order to further our understanding of the struggle and come up with ways to fight the system 'shilling' for 'Nazi ideology'?, and my belief is that the third reich failed when the concept of social justice gave way to the concept of 'we don't need social justice, we can just conquer other countries and there will be enough profit for everyone'.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not real National Socialism!

[–]antireddit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nobody in our camp has ever came closer, so I disagree completely with your conclusion.

They didnt come close to winning. Once they invaded the Soviet Union their fate was sealed. They bit off way more than they could chew. There is almost no scenario in which they could have been stretched that thin fighting a war on 2 fronts and succeeded. The closest they came to winning was the battle of Britain when they were close to achieving total air supremacy before Hitler interfered and overided his military commanders to detrimental effect, as he so often did. Even then I'm not sure what exactly they would have won, as Europe at the time was already completely white and there was no likelyhood of that changing barring a catastrophic failed war that made Jews far more powerful and free from opposition or criticism, something the Nazis brought about.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their fate was sealed by the way they treated their allies in other countries (Romania, Baltic region).

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is the point in endlessly dissecting the Third Reich? You are talking about a regime whose actions resulted in a genocide of the German people, with 11-13 MILLION German deaths, a million more western European deaths, millions of Eastern european deaths, and the near total destruction of Germany itself, and who set off a chain reaction of events that is resulting in the destruction of Western Civilization and the possible extinction of Europeans as a people.

Western Civilisation has been dead for hundreds of years, National Socialism was the only sign of life that that we've had, the only tiny spark of light in the vast darkness and you're doing the racist libtard bit about how the agents of European genocide destroying them is evidence we shouldn't research them to help us in our struggle? Fucking retarded honestly.

Ultimately the Nazis made Jews far more powerful than anyone could have ever dreamed, and we've all been paying the price ever since.

In other words, the Nazis were a complete and total disaster. If there are any lessons to be learned from them, its what NOT to do.

Yeah bro the world would totally have been better if all Europeans just allowed jews to take over Europe and genocide us willynilly without anyone ever putting up a resistance!!!11 How do you even come up with this nonsense?

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After the Strasserists were eliminated, Germany started reiterating WWI with the same mistakes.

Anyway, people would benefit more by looking at the errors that led to the final result, and I don't think that if Germany had prevailed things would be that good for the rest of the Europe.

[–]Jacinda[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

SS: As the title says.

I thought this might be of interest to some of the subscribers here who seem to have an extensive knowledge of both NS and history.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you have twitter Kegz4Kavanaugh might want to contribute an essay on economics

Two things I'd like to see covered are an essay based on Bowling for Fascism/Hitler and distinguishing between Marxism, Bolshevism and Communism. These are things that people should know but most don't and it hamstrings our discourse.