DoubleReverse and probgoingtohell should be banned

submitted by FriedrichLudwig from self.debatealtright

Concern trolling and misrepresenting your ideological affiliation are against the sub's rules, right? Those guys (assuming it's not the same guy, search for their "Fuck off race traitor"; "No you're a race traitor" exchange, pretty weird and out-of-character considering their post history, almost like it's meant to throw us off the scent) do exclusively that. I know this is a debate sub, but those guys/guy are not here in good faith, and definitely not to debate.

This is the mods' decision, not mine, but don't you think it's unproductive to have them here at this point? probgoingtohell's "What the fuck" concern troll post is one of most commented posts here. A lot of my fellow sub members, based and respected by me as they are, do not realize that these users are just trolls not interested in actual conversation, take them seriously, humor them and then entire posts get derailed, giving them exactly what they want. Why not just ban them for repeatedly breaking rules 2 and 3, and for clearly being here with malicious intent?

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[–]sexpenis 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Also Salos10000

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

He's already been banned. And at least one of his alts.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

praise be upon you

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Let me know if you see him try to pop up again with an alt.

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he deserves an award for being the most boring concern troll

[–]sexpenis 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well he's back

Now called u/Salos30000

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for letting me know sexpenis. He's banned now (again).

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

/u/Probgoingtohell has received a warning on rules 2 and 4. Please use the report button. /u/Doublereverse made a rage quite type comment that I thought was amusing and wanted it to stay up so people could mock it and counter it which isn't very difficult with those types of posters. Sometimes I leave comments up because I think these people need to be engaged and pushed back against. We can't call ourselves a debate sub if we are really quick to ban people which is why salos was given a little bit of rope (which he eventually hung himself with).

Thank you for bringing my attention again to these posters. The mod team will keep an eye on them.

[–]FriedrichLudwig[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ofc. Thanks for your work.

[–]DisgustResponse 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is part of why I like downvotes.

[–]probgoingtohell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What exchange are you on about?

[–]FriedrichLudwig[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's on your post history, fuck off shill.

[–]probgoingtohell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I blocked that poster because he is an irritating traitor, a soon as I read his pharmy shitstein comment, I replied and blocked simple.

[–]FriedrichLudwig[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're so obvious lmao. An actual non-shill would not react to this post the way you are right now, put in some effort at least.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

For what, not being alt right? If you just want to listen to your own opinions use a tape recorder.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Just out of curiousity, whats your reason for coming to this sub?

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I like to explore your mentality

[–]antireddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Understanding their mentality is simple. You're Jewish so it should be easy. They simply possess a similar mentality jews do, only dialed down considerably. Jews are ethnocentric and advocate for their own, even at the expense of others. The alt right have a similarly ethnocentric mentality about whites, just not as extreme. Jews have their own ethnostate. Some alt right want one too, although probably less want one than Jews support a Jewish ethnostate. Jews are able to lobby on their behalf and attack critics. Whites should too. Most here dont want to censor ALL criticism of whites the way Jews are doing for themselves.

They also arent advocating for monopolizing the media and other elite positions to the point they are over represented by a factor of 20 or 30 the way Jews do, they'd just like to be represented fairly, based on merit. You say they are supremacists. Ashkenazi Jews like Brett Stephens have been repeatedly making the case they superior in mainstream publications like the NYT, Slate.com, National Review, and in think tanks like the AEI. If Jews can openly make that case about themselves who cares if some whites think the same?

So they basically want for whites what Jews have, to a lesser degree, and without the excessive nepotism, networking, and passive aggressive manipulation many Jews display, nor do they want to control other groups the way Jews seem to want to.

This behavior is considered normal and healthy in Jews, but is pathologized in whites, obviously because of who largely controls the media and much of elite academia.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

So you think jews get special treatment, and you think that entitles you to get special treatment too? What specifically do you think jews are allowed to do that white people are not? Can you give me a specific example?

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

So you think jews get special treatment

Of course I do. I just gave you an example. If Bret Stephens or any of his zionist pals were white and wrote extensively about their belief whites are superior, they would have been cancelled and blacklisted yesterday. They are all still gainfully employed by mainstream media outlets because of Jewish privilege. That's what happens when you control the media and use that control to push a covert but clearly identifiable ethnic agenda. If I were to list every other aspect of Jewish privilege I'd be here typing all day.

and you think that entitles you to get special treatment too?

No, actually I pointed out the alt right's goals are far more modest. I was simply making the point that the alt right are far less radical or extreme than your average Jewish zionist. I mean Israel is basically an alt right Jewish ethnostate, although the comparison is kind of unfair to the alt right. I dont think anyone here wants to sit in lawn chairs watching the indigenous people of the land being bombed into the stone age routinely like Israelis have been frequently pictured doing.

The only reason you think the alt right is evil and Jewish ethnocentrism isnt, is because like most NPC's you've been fed Jewish media propaganda all your life(plus whatever additional propaganda u may have been fed at the local synagogue and/or Jewish bubble you grew up in). The reality is that the alt right are less extreme and ethnocentric than your average zionist, or Jewish media pundit.

Finally. I'm not really alt right TBH. I'm really not THAT into white people, and I have no major problem with diversity in the US(I feel a little differently about Europe). I just have a problem when mass immigration is shoved down people's throats by a hostile elite that also uses their media monopoly to incite hatred against whites. I gravitated towards the reddit sub because I quickly discovered that the alt right were literally the only ones speaking out about Jewish power, which is likely what fuels your hatred of them, whether you acknowledge it or not. I guess some radical lefties and a lot of Muslims also speak out about Jewish power, but for different reasons. I dont like bullies, and the Jewish media, lobbying and academic elite are some of the worst crybullies I've ever seen.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

But Israel isn't the world standard, is it? North Korea is a dictatorship, but that doesn't entitle you be a slightly less opressive dictator.

The only reason you think the alt right is evil and Jewish ethnocentrism isnt

This is a false equivalence, jewish people aren't allowed to be bigots either.

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

But Israel isn't the world standard, is it? North Korea is a dictatorship, but that doesn't entitle you be a slightly less opressive dictator.

The US doesnt give billions yearly to NK, there isnt a powerful NK lobby that vets all US politicians, we dont make boycotting NK illegal or launch wars for NK. All things we do for Israel.

This is a false equivalence, jewish people aren't allowed to be bigots either.

But they are, so long as the targets are whites. I also gave u a concrete example of them not being cancelled for doing something whites would be cancelled for. Granted im not for “cancelling”, I think its a tool of oppression disguised as phoney SJW activism favored by many Jewish media and academic gatekeepers, and as I just demonstrated its selectively applied.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The US doesnt give billions yearly to NK, there isnt a powerful NK lobby that vets all US politicians, we dont make boycotting NK illegal or launch wars for NK. All things we do for Israel.

They're our geopolitical asset in the middle east, but that doesn't mean we as people condone everything they do.

But they are, so long as the targets are whites. I also gave u a concrete example of them not being cancelled for doing something whites would be cancelled for.

You didn't. You claimed that jewish people don't recieve backlash for racism on a level that would result in a white supremacist being ostracized, but I think you're trying to conflate people's criticism of white supremacy with racism against white people. Can you show me a specific example of what you mean?

[–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The example I used was Bret Stephens writing an article in the NYT about the uniqueness of Jewish Genius. The article basically states that ashkenazi Jews are particularly intellectually gifted, and cited a study alleging they score better on IQ tests. There have been numerous other articles by Jewish authors in mainstream publications saying the same thing.

I have no problem with Stephens arguing this, but if a white person made the same argument about whites they would be fired instantly and blacklisted.

The jewish dominated AEI actually held a symposium on the same subject, with no consequences. By contrast when the same thing has been done by whites it drew mass protests, media condemnation and even violence.

So tell me why Brett Stephens still has a job?

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You must be joking. Israel gets an absurd amount of aid. >$4B/year for no reason whatsoever. Jews in media are allowed to trash White culture and Christianity with impunity, the reverse is ANTISEMITISM!!! Jewish Nationalists, i.e. Zionists can hold a panel on the evils of White Nationalism with zero Whites on the panel. Jews have literally thousands of Jewish advocacy groups that are allowed to fund raise, lobby, meet in prestigious places, etc. ANY White advocacy is met with condemnation by Jewish groups like the (((((((((ADL))))))))). I could go on all day.

Go peruse theoccidentalobserver.net for 8 billion examples, or even Ron Unz site (he's Jewish btw), Unz.com.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're drawing a false equivalence between white people and white supremacy. Criticizing white people as a group is racist. Criticizing white supremacy is not. You'll notice people criticize Israel's palestinian occupation all the time. It's a different thing from criticizing a generalized group of people.

[–]FriedrichLudwig[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't have any proof of this, and I could be wrong, but you REALLY sound like probgoingtohell. Same weirdly emotionless reaction to this post, same pseudo-polite, conversational, "I'm just here to be logical and ask questions" tone that you can tell has no real emotion or ideology behind it and is just meant to passively cause anger, and the fact that at some point you guys called each other race traitors, as if to say "we're not shills, look at how alt-right we are!", even though it's obvious you both think racial nationalism is stupid.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok detective Q. You must be an alt of u/sineavec because you both like to derail discussions using eye-rolling accusations.

Same weirdly emotionless reaction to this post,

I'm sure he's as used to this stupid shit as I am

and the fact that at some point you guys called each other race traitors Imgur , as if to say "we're not shills, look at how alt-right we are!

I called you race traitors because you're a fucking curse on white people who just want to live their lives without getting wrapped up in your stupid race war. Don't worry, I would never in a million years try to convince somebody that I am alt right.

What would even be the point? What can you do with 2 accounts that you can't do with one? I feel like you guys never think through your conspiracy theories beyond the predetermined perpetrator.

[–]sineavec 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have one account on this site. You're a dishonest person, DoubleReverse.

[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was being sarcastic, I don't really think you are his alt. You can call me whatever you want, your opinion of me as a person is irrelevant.

[–]sineavec 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

opinion

A standard is a standard. You introduced yourself to this forum with a post stating your rules concerning proper debate. You have violated your own standards, your own rules, ever since. That is all I'm saying.

[–]Marginotions 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please consider my comment submitted as full scale post on DAR.