Let's have a gentlemen's bet between Trump and Biden supporters.

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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Biden half accurate but you're far too optimistic about Trump

Conservatives will still be able to organize and build power.

They have no power now I doubt this will change

Anti-immigration and America First policies will be vindicated in conservative circles. They will be seen as winning policies and core organizing principles for decades to come, both politically and culturally.

Why didn't that happen after 2016

Lincoln Project cuckservatives will be humiliated and seen as losers. So will their policies. Similar cuckservatives will be mocked and kept out of cultural and political power as much as possible.

Why didn't that happen after 2016?

There will be 2016-style #Resistance protests, which will likewise be mocked, maybe even harder this time.

We already have riots rivalling the 60s race riots 2016 pales in comparison.

Your statement is literally this meme

No catastrophic far-left policies will be implemented, excepting a situation where the Democrats end up with majorities in the House and Senate.

Trump and the GOP have enabled them already

As you can tell, Trump is the better option and I strongly urge that everyone vote for him.

I'd say Trump is better but by no means good and your predictions have no bearing with what happened in his first term.

[–]Aureus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They have no power now I doubt this will change

There won't be any grave crackdowns on conservative organizing, and things like Trump clubs (which allow right-leaning people to come together and freely criticize BLM and illegal immigration) will still exist. If Trump loses, even if Biden does nothing, it's likely that Trump clubs will dissolve, and there will no longer be anything like Trump rallies where right-leaning people can gather in mass numbers.

Why didn't that happen after 2016

It was, but it's currently being spun as a one-off or a mistake. Trump winning again will cement that it wasn't a mistake, and that conservatives genuinely want border enforcement and a stronger stance against far-leftism. Hence "vindication"

I don't think this even depends on what Trump does tbh - but on what he says and what he's perceived as. The image of a pro-border candidate winning is important for culture and morale. It says "advocating for strong borders is what winners do".

We already have riots rivalling the 60s race riots 2016 pales in comparison.

Fair

Trump and the GOP have enabled them already

My prediction is that if Biden wins, we will see policies an order of magnitude worse than we've seen under Trump. hence "catastrophic"

I'd say Trump is better but by no means good

This is basically my position. The real work has to be done by grassroots organizers on the ground, building a new culture. I've never said that Trump will save us, he's just meaningfully better than the alternative

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There won't be any grave crackdowns on conservative organizing, and things like Trump clubs (which allow right-leaning people to come together and freely criticize BLM and illegal immigration) will still exist.

There has been grave crackdowns already just look at what the kritarchy did to RAM or the Proud Boys.

The real work has to be done by grassroots organizers on the ground, building a new culture.

They'll get sued to oblivion if they're open no matter what.

Divesting from the System is the only path forward, Trump will buy more time to do so.