Are the Protocols of the Elders of Zion real?

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I'm thinking about reading them, I'd like to hear your takes on this and look at any info you might have on the question.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Read them and compare them to reality. 'Hoax' talk is just another red herring by Jews because they had no actual counter argument to the predictions made in the book.

[–]AFutureConcern 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly right.

If a police officer suspects a man is dealing drugs, but can't catch him in the act, he might fabricate some evidence by planting some drugs on his person. Other officers discover that he did this and the guy is not charged.

Later on, turns out the guy really is dealing drugs. Plenty of evidence amasses that he was selling all kinds of narcotics the entire time. When charged, he points to the fabricated evidence from the month before, "But you're just like that other officer! Repeating debunked claims about my drug dealing when the evidence was a proven forgery!" With the profits from his drug empire, he owns the local media, repeats this message on it, and is able to pressure the police into letting him go.

[–]AFutureConcern 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I believe The Protocols is a forgery. There is too much evidence that its text was plagiarized from various sources in order to tell a story, instead of a serious document that Jews actually used and followed. I think the document is referenced by mainstream media sources as a way of drawing those who notice Jewish power towards accepting very spurious claims, similarly to how the QAnon conspiracy theory is pushed to tie dissident-right voices to absurd conspiratorial claims.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think its provenance is the most important part. What's important is that in many ways it seems to describe reality. If you read them and you've done your homework on the JQ you'll be nodding your head and thinking 'Gee whoever wrote this it does seem to be accurate in many ways.'

I tend to look at it as a work of fiction like a novel. There's nothing that stops a novel perfectly describing reality even if it is a work of fiction.

[–]Maly_Querent 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. They are a proven hoax.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ive heard they are a hoax. I don't know whats in them though. Cuckservatives like to pretend it's some kind of Bible for anti-semites, but most people I run into have never seen or read them. My counter-semitism arose naturally from observations and I don't need some sacred document to validate my beliefs

[–]Marginotions 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Jacinda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are fiction but never the less they are an important work, similar to Machiavelli's The Prince or dystopian fiction such as 1984 and deserve to be studied as such.

Ron Unz wrote an article about the book's relevance which you might enjoy. Amongst other things he pointed out it might have been the inspiration behind Bond's villians. Unfortunatately I can't locate it but someone might have a link.

Edit: Here's a substitute article by Isreal Shamir.

Unz:

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are best described as ‘pseudo-epigrapha’, rather than ‘fake’. They belong to the same category as Tomas Friedman’s Letter of President Clinton to Mubarak. After all, pseudo-epigraphic genre is an old and venerable one. It is even better to consider the Protocols, ‘a political pamphlet’.

In this essay, we shall attempt to find out why the Protocols refuse to lie down and die. We shall stay clear from the usual question, “who wrote it”. Its real author remains unknown, and it is difficult to imagine this person, for the Protocols are a literary palimpsest. In the days of yore, a scribe would write his composition on a piece of old parchment, previously removing an older text. The erasure was rarely total, and a reader was treated to an integrated version of the Golden Ass and Fioretti of St Francis. In the Protocols, there are layers of old and even older stories, and it precludes meaningful quest for ultimate creator. [Cont...]

Not the article I was looking for but it's a good read none the less

[–]Marginotions 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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