Holocaust denial makes no sense.

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[–]EternalSunset 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (45 children)

How long does it take to cremate 6 million bodies again?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The thing that makes no sense is the mainstream narrative. The true conditions of the camps alone should make anyone question the things the Jews keep telling us but everyone buys the bullshit about them being forced to shit diamonds and stuff. Holocaust Denial isn't even the claim that no one died, It's just the conspiracy theory that the Jews faked or at least greatly exxagerated the kill count and the methods of the kills so that they would seem cruel to others for their own ends:

  1. The Haavara Agreement, the plan from the National Socialists and Zionist Jews to send the Jews to Palestine. There were several other attempts by the National Socialists to deport the Jews from Germany over time, but nobody wanted the Jews in their countries.

  2. The Germans used the terms "Extermination", "Final Solution/Endlösung" very often when it came to dealing with the Jews, but they always talked about deportation plans.

  3. According to the World Almanac The Jewish population before, during and after the war barely changed and even increased at first.

  4. Despite cracking The Enigma Code, the British forces found no record of killings by gassing, the supposed main method use for the genocide.

  5. Fred A. Leuchter, expert in execution hardware said in his report that the alleged killing rooms could not have been used as homicidal gas chambers.

  6. Elie Wiesel, probably the most famous “Holocaust Survivor” makes no mention of gas chambers in his book “Night.”

  7. The International Red Cross report of 1948 found no indication of an extermination plan, despite the claim that it supposedly said the Germans cunningly hided that some facilities were gas chambers.

  8. The testimonies from "Holocaust survivors" that tell the truth about the conditions of the camps. The Jews had access to swimming pools for exercise, theathers, whore houses and participated in soccer games.

  9. The true maximum cremation capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau is far lower than what we are always told.

  10. Himmler's order on Dec. 28, 1942 to reduce the death rate in the camps as a priority.

  11. The SS report of 1943 about the decline of the mortality rate to the Reichsführer.

  12. The British foreign secretary statement about not being willing to take the Jews in their country in 1943.

  13. Himmler's deportation proposal of 1944 in exchange for goods.

  14. Elie Wiesel claimed in his book “Night” that he chose to purposely stay with the Germans when the Soviets came and that he was having a sore leg treated in the hospital at the camp, which wouldn’t make any sense considering it was at the very end of the war when the mass killings supposedly reached their peak.

  15. George S. Patton claimed that the Germans were the only decent people left in Europe and all the Allies really managed to do was give room for the Soviets to take over everything, saying that the US had fought the wrong enemy.

  16. The Allied autopsies confirm that disease was the main cause of death.

  17. The Holocaust and the 6 million figure showing up in different places before WWII. Six million Jews supposedly died in WWI as well, but probably because of the absurdity of the claims, the stories were eventually dropped but the figure of the 6 million Jews being in terrible danger can be seen in different places before ending up in Germany again. It can also be related to a passage from the Tohra, which can be interpreted as “six” of them having to go missing in order for them to be purged from their sins, so they can go back to Israel.

David Cole on Holocaust Revisionism (2018)

Basically, the Germans never embraced the genocide agenda as part of their policies and yeah, the ridiculous conditions of the camps with whore houses and theathers lasted all the way until at least 1944, things changed for the worst when the Allies tried bombing Germany into the stone age. This doesn't mean that the Germans didn't kill any Jewish civilians for no reason, even if they didn't embrace the genocide part the persecution that the Jews suffered was still legit, but I myself tend to lean towards the idea that the true kill count is really low when compared to the 6M figure. (My own is that It's between 0-10,000 non-justified civilian deaths)

But basically, figuring out the exact kill count isn't all that neccesary. Just presenting enough evidence to defend low enough figures and criticize the Jews for the exaggerationism of the crime is enough. With my own research, I find the idea of 100,000 kills to be way too much of an exaggeration. Even if we take that figure and double it or triple it, a lot of claims can be made about the exaggerationism of the crimes. I'm not saying such figures aren't horrible but rather, they objectively aren't the worst crime in history, or even within the war itself. So why do the Jews continue to receive so much benefits from their victim status?

With this being revealed, there are many ways that the Jews can actually be pressured into losing more social and political power. I'll even create a sophisticated nationalist movement over here when it comes to this eventually.

Make sure to visit s/ConspiracyTrace and s/ConspiracyRecord to see my research and share interesting content.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So most Jews weren't killed in the camps.

The fact you don't realise that undermines all your other points.

[–]KyleIsThisTall 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most jews weren't killed. The ones that died were killed because the soviets, who were kikes, destroyed supply lines for medicine and basic food stuffs.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank God your savior hitler allowed jews to live while killing millions of white people.Hitler really wanted to save europe from those evil jews by safely allowing them to live and give birth to more jewish babies while bombing millions of whites to oblivion.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing that makes no sense is the mainstream narrative. [...]

Jeez. So much disinformation in your post. I'm not going to go through all 17 points, but here's a few.

(1) What about the Haavara Agreement? Do you think that people and governments can't change their plans? The Nazis changed their plans from forced deportation to extermination over the course of the war.

(4) Enigma was used for military communication, not the internal deliberations among the Nazi leadership. And gassing was not even close to the main method used in the genocide. About 19% of the Jews who were killed were gassed.

(5) Fred Leuchter was a conman and fraud. I mean that literally. He was a crook and a fraud and his supposed investigation into Auschwitz is pure junk of no value whatsoever except as an example of incompetence and fraud in action.

(6) "Night" is a fictionalised account of Elie Wiesel's experiences, not intended to be read as every word the literal truth. For instance, it is unlikely that more than a tiny handful of people were literally killed by being thrown alive into the crematoria. That is a metaphor. The word "Holocaust" itself means a burnt offering. Wiesel's book is about his loss of faith. Describing people as if they were sacrificed to god like a piece of meat goes with the theme of the book.

(8) There were thousands of concentration camps, running for over a decade, and conditions varied enormously between them depending on where and when the camp was, its purpose, and who was in charge. Yes, some concentration camps had better conditions than others. What of it?

(13) It was Eichmann, not Himmler, and what of it? You think that Nazis couldn't decide to let a tiny fraction of their victims go in an exchange for goods they needed?

(16) Yes, disease and starvation was the largest killer of the Holocaust victims, about 32% or so. But this was not a mere consequence of war, "bad things happening everywhere, we tried our best but they still died", it was a deliberate policy of malicious neglect to let disease and famine kill as many people as possible. Around another 25 million people died of neglect, hunger and disease around the world as a direct consequence of the war, but they aren't counted as Holocaust victims because they didn't die from intentional, deliberate policy.

My own is that It's between 0-10,000 non-justified civilian deaths

And how precisely do you come up with that figure? Pulled it out of your arse?

There are more than 10,000 victims who died after the liberation of the concentration camps, so Allied troops watched them die. (You might be shocked to learn that people on death's door, dying of hunger and disease and neglect, don't magically recover instantly just because their captors run away and they are liberated.)

There are far more than 10,000 victims whose bodies have been found in mass graves. The Nazis tried very hard to destroy as many of the bodies as they could, but even so, there are still thousands of bodies found. There were 22,000 bodies found in mass graves in Odessa from just one German and Romanian massacre of Jews in October 1941. A few months later, a second massacre killed around 50,000 Jews.

There are transportation records of far more than 10,000 victims who were transported to the extermination camps, never to be seen alive again. If they weren't killed, where did they go? Narnia?

So we have over 70,000 victims from just two massacres in one city. Your figure of less than 10,000 is idiotically low.

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

figure trainload 5000-7000 at a time, a train or two a day to the extermination camps - how many days to do that to reach several million ? 1942-44

add in german efficiency

[–]KyleIsThisTall 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What extermination camps? There weren't any.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then explain the hundreds of acres of soil absolutely filled with ash and human bone fragments that can still be found to this very day.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you do know that when you get to hell, General Patton (who witnessed the extermination camps first hand) is going to slap your face off.

[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He didn't because even he admitted it was a lie which is why they assassinated him.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Depends if you use a crematorium or a big outdoor barbecue.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

which is effectively what they did exhuming the bodies simply buried - using up scarce fuel when there were shortages near the end of the war - prioritized to try to get rid of the evidence

[–]KyleIsThisTall 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Why would they waste fuel? Ridiculous! Also they had stockpiles of nerve gas yet they supposedly used insecticide that can't kill humans to... Kill humans??? RIDICULOUS! WOODEN DOORS!!!

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Amateurs who play chess think one move ahead. Good amateurs think two moves ahead. Chess Masters think 10 or 20 moves ahead.

Holocaust Denialists are amateurs who think one move ahead. The Germans were professionals who were thinking a dozen moves ahead.

Why would they waste fuel? Ridiculous!

Amateurs think that it was wasting fuel. Professionals know that hiding the evidence of the crimes was far more important to the Nazi leadership, especially when they realised that they might lose the war. PR and covering your ass was as important then as it is now.

Amateurs think that you need a huge amount of fuel to burn bodies. Sure, if you do it wrong.

Professionals know that if you design the fire properly, allow plenty of air, and keep it running 24 hours a day, it doesn't need much fuel.

Domestic crematoria burn one corpse at a time. Efficiency is not needed. A lot of fuel is wasted heating up the crematorium from room temperature, the body is cremated, then it is left to cool again. Very inefficient, but people do insist on not mixing up their loved-ones' ashes with those of other people.

The Nazis didn't care about that. They built crematoria designed to run continuously, able to take dozens of corpses at a time. Much, much more efficient. But not efficient enough: they had too many corpses even for those. So they designed open-air burning pits that could take hundreds of corpses at a time, and run 24 hours a day for weeks at a time, operating on mostly human fat with a little bit of oil and alcohol to get the fires started.

German ingenuity and engineering excellence applied to the problem of burning thousands of corpses a day. They were professionals, not amateurs. They knew how to build a self-sustaining fire using the proteins, fats and oils in the corpses as fuel. The problem isn't that much different from burning green wood: get the wood hot enough to evaporate the water, and it will catch fire and provide enough heat to evaporate the water from the next piece of green wood.

They didn't need a lot of fuel, just enough to get the fire started and ignite the first few corpses. Even emaciated bodies contain enough protein, oils and fats to burn itself to ash, provided you can get the fire hot enough to start. By interleaving the bodies of healthy victims and starved victims, and collecting the molten fat that ran off and pouring it back over the bodies, the fires were self-sustaining with only a modest amount of fuel needed to start the process.

they had stockpiles of nerve gas yet they supposedly used insecticide that can't kill humans

Amateurs think that "nerve gas" is better just because it sounds scarier. Professionals know that using commercially available insecticides available off the shelf in 1940 was better.

The Tabun nerve gas had many problems:

  • It was expensive and difficult to make which is why Germany only managed to make 12,500 tons.
  • They had severe problems with it degrading during storage.
  • The army wanted to keep it as a deterrent in case the Allies attacked with poison gas.
  • It can be slow acting: even a fatal dose can take 1-2 hours to kill a person.
  • It required special training and equipment to use, and was very hard to adapt to mass murder.

Cyanide-based Zyklon-B was much cheaper, could be purchased from civilian manufacturers as a ready-to-use product, was much easier to handle, and more certain in its effects: it killed in under 20 minutes. It was anything but inefficient. It was easy to handle, could be used with a minimum of training, it was much safer to dispose of the corpses (the Sonderkommandos typically only needed to wear gas masks to handle the dead).

Despite what you say, it was absolutely deadly to humans. It produced cyanide, a deadly poison. It was not one of our modern, 21st century insecticides that are relatively safe to humans. It was old-school.

Also, I daresay that Hitler got a kick out of using insecticide to murder people that he thoughts of as parasites like lice and ticks.

[–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was not one of our modern, 21st century insecticides that are relatively safe to humans. It was old-school.

I work with chemicals. We have a fungicide from the 1970s. 1 gram per 1000L of water and your done for a whole growing season! The new stuff, 80-120 grams per 1000L of water and then a respray 2 weeks later. (Another 80 - 120 grams) May have to reapply in 6-8 weeks.

Old schools stuff is no joke!

[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

leftist meme wall

Found the female chess player

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Zyklon B produced hydrogen cyanide which is very fatal when inhaled

and actually some of the extermination camps gas chambers used diesel engines to produce carbon monoxide as the killing gas

[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lol you actually believe that

Fo you think wooden doors could keep in any of those funes? Zyklon b is at worst an irritant to humans because it is far too diluted. And how could the doors be locked if they opened inwards?

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

you havent a clue what cyanide does then - it originally was a fumigant for entire building s to get rid of vermin in all the nooks and crannies

and yes if they had wooden doors that sealed it would work - though the gas chambers had metal doors and then evacuation fans to clear the air before the bodies could be removed

And how could the doors be locked if they opened inwards?

you dont have a home door that opens inward that can be locked from either side ???

seriously get better material than this

[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

LOL no they did not. They had wooden doors. And they swung inward to open. And it would take several times the amount of Zyklon B used to kill even a single large mammal such as a human. And that's without the loss of efficacy caused by low temperatures such as are standard in Poland during the winter. You're just a brainwashed kike slave.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the right to not to talk to the village idiot

you have opened your mouth and made us sure

Auf Wiedersehen

[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Notice how you just resort to childish name calling rather than refute my claims, but we all know that is because I presented undeniable facts that are well documented.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

using up scarce fuel when there were shortages near the end of the war - prioritized to try to get rid of the evidence

Not actually that much fuel was needed, if you get corpses hot enough to catch fire they contain their own source of fuel (mostly fat). See my response here.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

88 minutes

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Let's ask the Hawaiians.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Too soon!

[–]transbob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Burying 6 million bodies?

Default (GPT-3.5)

User If I wanted to bury 6 million human bodies how big would the hole need to be

ChatGPT I can't assist with that.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The standard means of transport was a 10-metre long (32 ft 9+3⁄4 in) freight car, although third class passenger carriages were also used when the SS wanted to keep up the "resettlement to work in the East" myth, particularly in the Netherlands and in Belgium. The SS manual covered such trains, suggesting a carrying capacity per each trainset of 2,500 people in 50 cars, each boxcar loaded with 50 prisoners. In reality, however, boxcars were routinely loaded to 200% of capacity, or 100 people per car.[40] This resulted in an average of 5,000 people per trainset. During the mass deportation of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka in 1942, trains carried up to 7,000 victims each.[41]

In total, over 1,600 trains were organised by the Reich Ministry of Transport, and logged mainly by the Polish state railway company taken over by Germany, due to the majority of death camps being located in occupied Poland.[42] Between 1941 and December 1944, the official date of the closing of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex, the transport/arrival timetable was 1.5 trains per day: 50 freight cars × 50 prisoners per freight car × 1,066 days = ~4,000,000 prisoners in total.[19]

On 20 January 1943, Heinrich Himmler sent a letter to Albert Ganzenmüller, the Under-secretary of State at the Reich Transport Ministry, requesting: "need your help and support. If I am to wind things up quickly, I must have more trains."[43] Of the estimated six million Jews exterminated during World War II, two million were murdered on the spot by the military, Waffen-SS, Order Police battalions and mobile death squads of the Einsatzgruppen aided by and the local auxiliary police. The remainder were shipped to their deaths elsewhere

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

there were 5 million others killed - non jews - murdered or worked to death (or of disease/starvation) and possibly 2 million Russian POWs treated the same way

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'd find it unlikely for the Germans to find a million non-Jew enemies of the state to murder, whereas identifying Jews was easy. What is the advantage of denying the Holocaust numbers? If the point is to show Jews have historically been assholes, that's not exactly news. Jews have been historically quite intelligent (lots of Nobel laureates) and the more intelligent one is, the more evil one can be.

If you search for a website with title "Holocaust Facts: Where Does the Figure of 6 Million", you will find that the "six million" ia not very precise, but there is a project collecting individual names that's already above 4 million, even though it's suspected to have some double countings. If that database were a fake, you could easily just demonstrate 1000 names or even ten thousand with the huge army of neo-nazis that supposedly exists to show it is fake, right? Except, that's not what happened. In short, denying the numbers is kind of pointless.

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well, right? I think historical records are in a way irrelevant. If you can even show that a large group was murdered by some state apparatus, I'd recommend to genocide the entire population associated with that apparatus as a precaution. If that had happened in the past, Russia would not exist, Turkey would not exist, China would not exist, North-Korea would not exist, Germany would not exist, etc. There could actually be peace on Earth. Who could be against that?

[–]yellowsnow2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well, right?

History always gets manipulated. This statement shows you just believe what you are told.

In 2014 the Ukrainian democratically elected president was removed by force by "the people who elected him" LOL. Typical CIA/ globalist regime change coup. In reality the coup happened because the elected president would not join the EU and thus submit Ukraine's sovereignty to the globalists that were already talking about putting NATO bases on Russia's border at that time.

Then they installed an un-elected interim government, later found to be helped picked by US politicians. The first orders of this installed government were to use the Ukrainian military on it's own citizens murdering those that resisted the coup. Targeting mainly Ukrainian ethnic Russians which were almost the exact eastern half/50% of the country. They got away with this genocide with the help of American corporate media and the talking point of only murdering "Russian backed separatists" to where Russia had to militarily create an escape route for them to flee genocide to Russia.. The Ukrainian citizens they were murdering after the first wave had to flee their homes was 2 different militias made up of Ukrainians that refused to submit to the coup. They later declared their parts of Ukraine soveign from the globalist's coup and annexation going by the names People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic and the People's Militia of the Luhansk People's Republic.

Why were ethnic Russians there?

Kiev Ukraine is the historic homeland of ALL the "Kievian Rus" peoples since around the 600s AD and was the capitol of the Russian empire for almost a thousand years. The "Rus" in Russia and Belarus comes from Kievian Rus. You are watching the history of an entire ethnic people being conquered , erased, and they seem to be going after all that are left for a full ethnic cleansing.

Russia is the last strong hold preventing the globalist from world domination with their New World Order where you will own nothing like a slave and eat bugs. This was planned for no less than 70 years. Full info here.

https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/at5y/the_one_postone_post_that_contains_all_of/

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The little green men that invaded were paid by the Russian state, which has been admitted by the Russian state, which invalidates everything you have said.

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I said is fact and history going back 1400 years. Nothing you said rewrites history.. The mainsteam view of history on wikipedia is only sourced by media corporation propaganda.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with your world view is that it assumes a competent government, whereas nothing the government has ever done can be considered as such.

The US can't even maintain their physical infrastructure.

The US is trying to make it not require a commercial third party piece of software anymore to do taxes; something that has been common in many European countries for close to a decade. The US banking system is at least a decade behind various European systems. So, you expect me to believe that the US selectively acts like a moron, but secretly is super smart?

The design of US suburbs is a dystopia. Please, explain how the US is doing anything right at this moment. The US can't even kill insider trading in Congress, which is illegal in every sane part of the world. Every European country has a younger leader than Biden.

The US education system is biased towards rich people, which means the previously "prestigious" institutes are now nothing more than piggy banks without anything of value.

The only working part of the US economy is its military,

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

CC u/twolanterns your figures are too low.

I'd find it unlikely for the Germans to find a million non-Jew enemies of the state to murder, whereas identifying Jews was easy.

You think that they couldn't identify Poles in Poland? You think that people in Europe didn't have identity papers?

Maybe it was beyond their ability to go to a village in rural Russia and identify that the villagers there were Russian, "Sure, they look Russian, and sound Russia, and are living in Russia, but maybe they're Italian, if only there was a way to be sure...".

In Western Europe, most of them were arrested by local authorities, then handed over to the Germans to be shipped east. Especially in France, where the Vichy puppet state was an enthusiastic collaborator with the Nazis.

There were at least 15 million victims of the Holocaust, probably around 17 million, were murdered by the Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims), perhaps as many as 20 million. Much of the argument about numbers comes down to definitions: for example, do we count civilians executed in Nazi reprisals as part of the Holocaust, or separately?

Proportionally, the Gypsies were the most heavily persecuted, although there weren't that many of them so they don't make up a large number of victims, perhaps only half a million. The Jews weren't even the single largest group: peoples of the Soviet Union were, with about 9 or 10 million murdered. That does not include combat deaths, but it does include around 3 million Soviet POWs murdered.

The concentration camps didn't just take Jews. They also took:

  • Poles (2-3 million or so, excluding Polish Jews)
  • Soviet POWs
  • Russians, Slovenes and other Slavs
  • Sinti and Roma (gypsies)
  • trade unionists
  • members of the local communist parties
  • other political prisoners and "enemies of the state"
  • Freemasons
  • Jehovah's Witnesses
  • homosexuals
  • even some ordinary criminals.

Prior to the war, the Nazis started their murder spree with a program of involuntary euthanasia against the mentally ill and other disabled people in Germany. About a quarter of a million of them were murdered.

Most of the victims were indirectly murdered, by malign neglect, starvation and disease, or by being worked to death on starvation rations. Many were executed for breaking concentration camp rules, or beaten to death by camp guards out of sadism or on a whim. The actual extermination camps, designed to do nothing but murder people on an industrial scale, weren't built until 1942, and only lasted about a year and a half two years before the German leaders got cold feet about them being discovered and ordered them shut down and the evidence destroyed. In the USSR, most of the victims were killed by mobile killing squads.

I'd recommend to genocide the entire population associated with that apparatus as a precaution. ... There could actually be peace on Earth.

Nice try Adolf.

Seriously, that was the same argument Hitler made.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jehovah's Witnesses

These people literally brainwash handicapped people. Why would anyone want to keep them around? Perhaps not every member would have to go, but certainly the leadership.

Seriously, that was the same argument Hitler made.

Is that in Mein Kampf? Was he wrong? Why? Perhaps eliminating those Poles was a good step that makes Poland a better country today. (I don't know, but it's probably possible to measure the Hitler effect and see whether Poland is more efficient. That is, it should be possible to provide an objective answer. )

If a member of any of those groups ever hurt some voter for Hitler, I don't blame those people. If there were a political party that would kill every violent asshole the first day after they got elected, I'd give them my vote, but such parties aren't going to exist, because most politicians (and most people) are themselves such assholes.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These people literally brainwash handicapped people.

No more or worse than any other religion.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well

https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/16/murder-torture-and-rape-but-no-genocide-the-uns-latest-report-on-ukraine

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you know people that work for the UN? I do.

These people are fucking retards. If you see them as an authority, then you are even more stupid.

What do you think happened to the Ukrainians living on Crimea? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/crimea-tatar-persecution-russia-ukraine-war-genocide/

The playbook for Russia is to move some Russians into a country, then say they need to protect those Russians, then bring in the military to murder the rest of the population (along with destroying the native culture and erasing history), and finally redraw the border. Of course that is genocide.

Stalin was already in the deportation game and this just continues until today.

Israel is doing the same thing on a smaller scale, but one could argue that the Arabs in Israel were the invaders to begin with and don't really have any rights to be there. It just depends on how many years (I think in one interpretation it's literally thousands of years) you go back in time.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What do you think happened to the Ukrainians living on Crimea? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/crimea-tatar-persecution-russia-ukraine-war-genocide/

OpenDemocracy are US shills funded by George Soros. They're not credible or trustworthy. They're basically just a propaganda arm of the US Democrats.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you never heard of the forced labor the nazis did - grabbing citizens of the countries they conquered and occupied to use for war production ?

those were treated little better than the jews subjected to forced labor --- subjected to starvation rations, disease conditions, brutality, dangerous/harsh work, prison conditions

a million or two russian POWs were treated very much like the jews

for the rest stick to the subject

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd not equate a POW with a citizen. Why do you?

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

most of the jews murdered werent german citizens either

murder is murder

working someone to death while starving them is, regardless

dont leave the country, cuz out there you aint a citizen ....

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's assuming they all die by burning but ok.Why didn't hitler kill them if he was trying to save the white race while declaring war on almost all of europe.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you think that question is relevant? Its not.