Holocaust denial makes no sense.

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[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The standard means of transport was a 10-metre long (32 ft 9+3⁄4 in) freight car, although third class passenger carriages were also used when the SS wanted to keep up the "resettlement to work in the East" myth, particularly in the Netherlands and in Belgium. The SS manual covered such trains, suggesting a carrying capacity per each trainset of 2,500 people in 50 cars, each boxcar loaded with 50 prisoners. In reality, however, boxcars were routinely loaded to 200% of capacity, or 100 people per car.[40] This resulted in an average of 5,000 people per trainset. During the mass deportation of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka in 1942, trains carried up to 7,000 victims each.[41]

In total, over 1,600 trains were organised by the Reich Ministry of Transport, and logged mainly by the Polish state railway company taken over by Germany, due to the majority of death camps being located in occupied Poland.[42] Between 1941 and December 1944, the official date of the closing of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex, the transport/arrival timetable was 1.5 trains per day: 50 freight cars × 50 prisoners per freight car × 1,066 days = ~4,000,000 prisoners in total.[19]

On 20 January 1943, Heinrich Himmler sent a letter to Albert Ganzenmüller, the Under-secretary of State at the Reich Transport Ministry, requesting: "need your help and support. If I am to wind things up quickly, I must have more trains."[43] Of the estimated six million Jews exterminated during World War II, two million were murdered on the spot by the military, Waffen-SS, Order Police battalions and mobile death squads of the Einsatzgruppen aided by and the local auxiliary police. The remainder were shipped to their deaths elsewhere

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

there were 5 million others killed - non jews - murdered or worked to death (or of disease/starvation) and possibly 2 million Russian POWs treated the same way

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'd find it unlikely for the Germans to find a million non-Jew enemies of the state to murder, whereas identifying Jews was easy. What is the advantage of denying the Holocaust numbers? If the point is to show Jews have historically been assholes, that's not exactly news. Jews have been historically quite intelligent (lots of Nobel laureates) and the more intelligent one is, the more evil one can be.

If you search for a website with title "Holocaust Facts: Where Does the Figure of 6 Million", you will find that the "six million" ia not very precise, but there is a project collecting individual names that's already above 4 million, even though it's suspected to have some double countings. If that database were a fake, you could easily just demonstrate 1000 names or even ten thousand with the huge army of neo-nazis that supposedly exists to show it is fake, right? Except, that's not what happened. In short, denying the numbers is kind of pointless.

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well, right? I think historical records are in a way irrelevant. If you can even show that a large group was murdered by some state apparatus, I'd recommend to genocide the entire population associated with that apparatus as a precaution. If that had happened in the past, Russia would not exist, Turkey would not exist, China would not exist, North-Korea would not exist, Germany would not exist, etc. There could actually be peace on Earth. Who could be against that?

[–]yellowsnow2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well, right?

History always gets manipulated. This statement shows you just believe what you are told.

In 2014 the Ukrainian democratically elected president was removed by force by "the people who elected him" LOL. Typical CIA/ globalist regime change coup. In reality the coup happened because the elected president would not join the EU and thus submit Ukraine's sovereignty to the globalists that were already talking about putting NATO bases on Russia's border at that time.

Then they installed an un-elected interim government, later found to be helped picked by US politicians. The first orders of this installed government were to use the Ukrainian military on it's own citizens murdering those that resisted the coup. Targeting mainly Ukrainian ethnic Russians which were almost the exact eastern half/50% of the country. They got away with this genocide with the help of American corporate media and the talking point of only murdering "Russian backed separatists" to where Russia had to militarily create an escape route for them to flee genocide to Russia.. The Ukrainian citizens they were murdering after the first wave had to flee their homes was 2 different militias made up of Ukrainians that refused to submit to the coup. They later declared their parts of Ukraine soveign from the globalist's coup and annexation going by the names People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic and the People's Militia of the Luhansk People's Republic.

Why were ethnic Russians there?

Kiev Ukraine is the historic homeland of ALL the "Kievian Rus" peoples since around the 600s AD and was the capitol of the Russian empire for almost a thousand years. The "Rus" in Russia and Belarus comes from Kievian Rus. You are watching the history of an entire ethnic people being conquered , erased, and they seem to be going after all that are left for a full ethnic cleansing.

Russia is the last strong hold preventing the globalist from world domination with their New World Order where you will own nothing like a slave and eat bugs. This was planned for no less than 70 years. Full info here.

https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/at5y/the_one_postone_post_that_contains_all_of/

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The little green men that invaded were paid by the Russian state, which has been admitted by the Russian state, which invalidates everything you have said.

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I said is fact and history going back 1400 years. Nothing you said rewrites history.. The mainsteam view of history on wikipedia is only sourced by media corporation propaganda.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with your world view is that it assumes a competent government, whereas nothing the government has ever done can be considered as such.

The US can't even maintain their physical infrastructure.

The US is trying to make it not require a commercial third party piece of software anymore to do taxes; something that has been common in many European countries for close to a decade. The US banking system is at least a decade behind various European systems. So, you expect me to believe that the US selectively acts like a moron, but secretly is super smart?

The design of US suburbs is a dystopia. Please, explain how the US is doing anything right at this moment. The US can't even kill insider trading in Congress, which is illegal in every sane part of the world. Every European country has a younger leader than Biden.

The US education system is biased towards rich people, which means the previously "prestigious" institutes are now nothing more than piggy banks without anything of value.

The only working part of the US economy is its military,

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

CC u/twolanterns your figures are too low.

I'd find it unlikely for the Germans to find a million non-Jew enemies of the state to murder, whereas identifying Jews was easy.

You think that they couldn't identify Poles in Poland? You think that people in Europe didn't have identity papers?

Maybe it was beyond their ability to go to a village in rural Russia and identify that the villagers there were Russian, "Sure, they look Russian, and sound Russia, and are living in Russia, but maybe they're Italian, if only there was a way to be sure...".

In Western Europe, most of them were arrested by local authorities, then handed over to the Germans to be shipped east. Especially in France, where the Vichy puppet state was an enthusiastic collaborator with the Nazis.

There were at least 15 million victims of the Holocaust, probably around 17 million, were murdered by the Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims), perhaps as many as 20 million. Much of the argument about numbers comes down to definitions: for example, do we count civilians executed in Nazi reprisals as part of the Holocaust, or separately?

Proportionally, the Gypsies were the most heavily persecuted, although there weren't that many of them so they don't make up a large number of victims, perhaps only half a million. The Jews weren't even the single largest group: peoples of the Soviet Union were, with about 9 or 10 million murdered. That does not include combat deaths, but it does include around 3 million Soviet POWs murdered.

The concentration camps didn't just take Jews. They also took:

  • Poles (2-3 million or so, excluding Polish Jews)
  • Soviet POWs
  • Russians, Slovenes and other Slavs
  • Sinti and Roma (gypsies)
  • trade unionists
  • members of the local communist parties
  • other political prisoners and "enemies of the state"
  • Freemasons
  • Jehovah's Witnesses
  • homosexuals
  • even some ordinary criminals.

Prior to the war, the Nazis started their murder spree with a program of involuntary euthanasia against the mentally ill and other disabled people in Germany. About a quarter of a million of them were murdered.

Most of the victims were indirectly murdered, by malign neglect, starvation and disease, or by being worked to death on starvation rations. Many were executed for breaking concentration camp rules, or beaten to death by camp guards out of sadism or on a whim. The actual extermination camps, designed to do nothing but murder people on an industrial scale, weren't built until 1942, and only lasted about a year and a half two years before the German leaders got cold feet about them being discovered and ordered them shut down and the evidence destroyed. In the USSR, most of the victims were killed by mobile killing squads.

I'd recommend to genocide the entire population associated with that apparatus as a precaution. ... There could actually be peace on Earth.

Nice try Adolf.

Seriously, that was the same argument Hitler made.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jehovah's Witnesses

These people literally brainwash handicapped people. Why would anyone want to keep them around? Perhaps not every member would have to go, but certainly the leadership.

Seriously, that was the same argument Hitler made.

Is that in Mein Kampf? Was he wrong? Why? Perhaps eliminating those Poles was a good step that makes Poland a better country today. (I don't know, but it's probably possible to measure the Hitler effect and see whether Poland is more efficient. That is, it should be possible to provide an objective answer. )

If a member of any of those groups ever hurt some voter for Hitler, I don't blame those people. If there were a political party that would kill every violent asshole the first day after they got elected, I'd give them my vote, but such parties aren't going to exist, because most politicians (and most people) are themselves such assholes.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These people literally brainwash handicapped people.

No more or worse than any other religion.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I suppose you are going to deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine as well

https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/16/murder-torture-and-rape-but-no-genocide-the-uns-latest-report-on-ukraine

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you know people that work for the UN? I do.

These people are fucking retards. If you see them as an authority, then you are even more stupid.

What do you think happened to the Ukrainians living on Crimea? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/crimea-tatar-persecution-russia-ukraine-war-genocide/

The playbook for Russia is to move some Russians into a country, then say they need to protect those Russians, then bring in the military to murder the rest of the population (along with destroying the native culture and erasing history), and finally redraw the border. Of course that is genocide.

Stalin was already in the deportation game and this just continues until today.

Israel is doing the same thing on a smaller scale, but one could argue that the Arabs in Israel were the invaders to begin with and don't really have any rights to be there. It just depends on how many years (I think in one interpretation it's literally thousands of years) you go back in time.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What do you think happened to the Ukrainians living on Crimea? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/crimea-tatar-persecution-russia-ukraine-war-genocide/

OpenDemocracy are US shills funded by George Soros. They're not credible or trustworthy. They're basically just a propaganda arm of the US Democrats.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you never heard of the forced labor the nazis did - grabbing citizens of the countries they conquered and occupied to use for war production ?

those were treated little better than the jews subjected to forced labor --- subjected to starvation rations, disease conditions, brutality, dangerous/harsh work, prison conditions

a million or two russian POWs were treated very much like the jews

for the rest stick to the subject

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd not equate a POW with a citizen. Why do you?

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

most of the jews murdered werent german citizens either

murder is murder

working someone to death while starving them is, regardless

dont leave the country, cuz out there you aint a citizen ....