160 people arrested on arson charges for Greek wildfires for which the media previously said climate change was to blame

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[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Four thousand years ago, the Ancient Greeks understood that events can have multiple causes. We still understand that events can have massive chains of dozens of causes. There's even an old proverb about that: for want of a nail.

Meanwhile GW Denialists think that just because an arsonist lit a fire in a forest, the extreme weather conditions and drought and dry tinder that enabled the forest fire to burn so hot and spread so far and so fast no longer exist 🙈 🙉 🙊

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

its not even called Global Warming (GW) as even the village idiots have seen its not happening (algore the scientific moron said we'd be all under water by now from 20 years ago)

Climate Change is so vague you can blame any incidents on it and the rubes will gobble it up.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

its not even called Global Warming (GW)

Yes it is.

even the village idiots have seen its not happening

Only the village idiots have seen it not happening, because they won't look.

In my life, winters are milder and arrive later, spring arrives earlier. Thankfully summers in my city don't seem to be heating up (yet) but over much of the rest of the country summers are hotter than ever before.

At the same time, we're getting more weird weather. About 30 years ago, we started getting anomalous cold snaps in late December. We've even had snow in December. Well, we call it snow, not that there's enough to make a snowman, let alone ski, but its still snow. Snow, in Melbourne! In December! That's unheard of.

Or at least, until the 1990s it was unheard of. Now we get cold snaps and frigid, Antarctica air dumping rain, hail and occasionally even snow around Christmas time probably two out of five or six years. That ain't normal. Or rather, it wasn't normal for Melbourne for hundreds of years. But now the climate has changed. There's more heat in the oceans, and the atmosphere, and its changing the flow of water and air.

Climate Change is so vague

If global temperatures rise, the climate changes. Why is this controversial?

"BuT I tHoUGhT evErYThINg WoULd StAy tHE SaME wHEn ThINgS cHAnGE!!1!"

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess you did too much LDS since the 2000s to have missed the CLIMATE CHANGE relabeling

for the anecdotals the media now claims as its signs you might wish to go back decades in newspapers to see similar events hear and their for the last century

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess you did too much LDS since the 2000s to have missed the CLIMATE CHANGE relabeling

Yes, it's true, I've done a lot on Mormons since the 2000s, they're nearly as kinky as Catholic school girls.

"Climate Change" has always been the more common term, back to the 60s and 70s and there has never been a time that "global warming" was more popular.

You might not realise this if your experience only goes back to the early 2000s on the internet, where google searches for "global warming" were more popular for a few years. But trust me, there is more to life than what people see on the internet.

But why do you care so much over such a trivial fact? If the planet warms, the climate will change.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

google star trek references

you think climate change goes back, but its been trumpeted by the demlefty media in the recent times as had global warming which it has now replaced as the faux crisis clarion call -- magnitudes more than all than went before

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You don't need to look at complicated science to see that climate is changing.

For hundreds of years, every lethal bush fire in Australia has happened at the height of summer. Now they're starting to occur at the start of spring.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and idiot humans have no part in that ?

in the US greenies policy not letting brush be cleared and trees cut down near power lines

robust invading species outgrowing natives ? nah can possibly happen

cyclic weather patterns - happens

lots of shit going on with lefty pushing mass amnesia in their foisted agenda

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and idiot humans have no part in that ?

The anthropogenic word in "Anthropogenic global warming" means "man made", so of course idiot humans have a part in this.

in the US greenies policy not letting brush be cleared and trees cut down near power lines

Yeah, I use that excuse whenever the missus nags me to cut the lawn. "Sorry dear, the greenies won't let me."

Blaming the greens for power company failure is a common trick. Funny enough, nobody can actually point to the actual law that prevents power companies keeping their power lines safe. It's always just rumour: "the greenies won't let 'em".

In any case, that's irrelevant to my comment. Failure to maintain the lines isn't going to bring bushfire season forward by four or five months. To get bushfires and wildfires you need two things: there has to be fuel (leaf litter, twigs, dead branches etc), and the conditions have to be right.

If the fuel has more than 30% moisture content, you cannot get a wildfire. If the moisture content falls below 10%, its a bomb waiting to go off.

It used to take four or five months from the end of winter to the point that you can have bushfires in Australia. Now it happens in just a month or two. That's nothing to do with greenies preventing power companies from maintaining the safety of their power lines.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anthropogenic global warming

except that phrase is rarely used and most of the 'bought into its' assume everybody does]

there is climate change, but humans in the equation are barely a smudge on the surface of the sun

i was stating causes of many of the fires which have happened in the US

and you obviously have your excuses for being on of the 'bought into it' lemmings

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is drought and dry tinder every year in Greece. Nothing to do with any extreme weather conditions, just normal weather conditions.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The woods are dry in my location every summer, but not dry like they were early this summer. We had wildfires like I'd never seen before. Luckily it's been raining like a mufuka since. No fires after that. I guess all the arsonists just went home because they didn't like getting wet. 😆

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

^ Came here to say this. Well put.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Strawman argument. No one said that at all.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What a bizarre story. How are there 160 arsonists? Arson is not that common.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Only 42 of them were charged with intentional arson, the rest for allowing their fires to spread by neglect.

By the look of it, if five people were at a camp site, and one of them let a fire spread, the authorities have arrested all five.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah but still, 42 people intentionally setting wildfires in a small country? I don't know of any time in history where so many people wanted to do something so insane all at the same time. Maybe it's a TikTok challenge.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who knows how many of those 42 people charged are actually guilty? I imagine the Greek cops are under a lot of pressure to find somebody to blame.

If memory serves, there were almost 100 wildfires around Greece, so its plausible that a bit less than half of them were deliberately lit.

In Australia, about half of all bush fires are either deliberate or suspicious. Only 13% of our 62,000 bush fires each year are from natural causes.

(Australia is a lot bigger, drier and hotter than Greece, and our trees are evolved to encourage bush fires. 62000 bush fires in Australia is not unusual. 100 in Greece is probably shockingly high.)

Arson is a lot more common than most people realise.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Organized terrorism. Most likely by the same people trying to pass tyrannical legislation.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think so. Even if it's "only" 45 people who intentionally set fires, that's still unheard of. You might have one maniac arsonist, followed by a few copycats, but 45 all at once? That's unprecedented.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To make it clear: the arsonist is a proximate cause. The climate conditions caused by global warming are the ultimate cause:

  • Had the arsonist not lit the fire, but the climate conditions remain the same, the fire could still have occurred for some other reason such as lightning, a car backfiring near dry grass, sunlight shining through a broken piece of glass that happened to form a crude lens, or some other accidental spark.

  • But had the climate conditions been different (no global warming), the arsonist would not have been able to cause such a devastating wildfire, or even any wildfire at all. The ground would have been too wet, the grass too green, not enough dry tinder, temperatures too low, rain would have put the fires out, etc.

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

No, the ultimate cause is the bacteria that put oxygen in the atmosphere billions of years ago.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Curse those photosynthesising bastards! 😉

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Prove it.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Try to apply some common bloody sense.

Before an arsonist can start a wildfire, the conditions have to be right for wildfires to occur. If the conditions aren't right, you can't start a wildfire.

[–]Mark_Shill 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now do Maui next

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Website name checks out.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'climate crisis' is the latest shriek phrase

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah bruh... sPaRkInG elecCtrical wIrEs

[–]DirewolfGhost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then arrest the media for aiding and abetting the coverup.