We are witnessing a goddamn global genocide

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[–]PresentableSonInLaw 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do consider this to be a possibility. Although I hope it's false cause everyone I know has gotten this injection.

Micro-thrombosis is not the only means by which this injection might be dangerous. The graphene oxide which "La Quita Columba" claims to have found in the injections and the biomechanism of "Antibody-dependent enhancement " (ADE) which scientists like Robert Malone and Sucharit Bhakdi talk about might be equally deadly.

The only way to "rationalize" such an atrocity would be through the "limits to growth concept". By which the perpetrators of this genocide would claim to "save the world"/"save humanity" by purposefully creating a controlled collapse (As opposed to letting humanity take its course which following the "limits to growth concept" would lead to an inevitable uncontrolled collapse).

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they talk about how hospitals are overwhelmed. less than 1% of people getting covid have to go to the hospital. That tells me we need to build more hospitals and hire more drs and nurses because they are woefully underprepared for what is a minor sickness, not a pandemic. Even before covid, wait times were too high so they should have been expanding but the AMA is a guild that tries to keep dr salaries artificially high by restricting people entering the field.

[–]Noam_Chomsky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Imo, the oligarchs concluded that the average western person has too large a carbon footprint in comparison to their economic output and has been dumbed down so much to just not be useful to them anymore.

And while you're posting this, the divide and conquer race baiters are running interference.

Most visitors to the site agree with you.
The silent majority.

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the oligarchs use many means to reduce population. They use the covid thing but also immigration. It is correct to be racist.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I sure hope so. Those moronic enough to take the vaccine need to be removed from the gene pool to prevent idiocracy.

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first they came for people that took the vaccine and I did nothing.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm afraid I'll have to take issue with you here. It's important to maintain our humanity in the face of this kind of intense propaganda and social pressure. Eliminationist rhetoric operates to further divide rather than to seek common ground. I think it's important, should this mass-vaccination campaign result in enormous numbers of injuries and incapacities to our fellow citizens who have been nefariously duped into both taking it and promulgating the propaganda, that we all be able to stand together to hold the perpetrators accountable. This becomes more difficult, if not impossible, if we fall into the trap being set for us to cooperate in that social division. When the dust settles, if we plebes are still fighting our internecine battles about who was right and who was wrong, the self-styled "elites" will use it as cover to evade their moral and legal culpability. Those of us who are clear headed about all of this need to keep the importance of class solidarity in mind.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

class solidarity

Is being in the moron class really that appealing?

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Glib. Insubstantial, as a response, though.

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True. Sorry about that.

Class solidarity might be viable if the classes are defined narrowly enough, but common ground is a matter of perception and standards. I'm not finding much affinity for the class that helped rescind our rights and freedoms, and crashed our society. If the elites take them, it will be what they asked for.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think I might have misinterpreted your response. I first read it as the moron class including me, maybe even as the head of the class, but I see from your response that doesn't seem to be what you meant. I guess I'm just shellshocked from interacting with too many Reddit trolls!

If the elites take them, it will be what they asked for.

That's absolutely true, but the tragedy is that everyone else will have the same imposed on them as well, a kind of collateral damage that makes any glimmer of schadenfreude painful and joyless. The lack of class cohesion is an artifact of the seamless and ubiquitous propaganda that's been falling like a hard rain for 18 months on this topic alone. The extended pattern of problem-reaction-solution has conditioned nearly everyone for decades now to prefer safety to Liberty, and we remember what Franklin had to say about that.

The worst part of the dystopias painted by 1984 and Brave New World is not the oppressive tyranny that's laid down like a blanket on the populace, but their firm embrace of it in Huxley, and the State's cooptation of resistance to it as a further means of control in Orwell. I submit that we're seeing both being brought to bear in the contemporary political climate.

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I first read it as the moron class including me, maybe even as the head of the class,

Yes! Head moron! (lol j/k) No, I was doing that thing where you kind of assume your interlocutor is substantially in the same demographic. Hence, my question about 'slumming'.

As for reddit, it became unusable in 2015, and I recommend not using it except for specific instances, as in clicking a reddit link in search results.

I resorted to that glib reply at first because I didn't want to go full diatribe, but didn't see an easy way to only partially address the issues.

What would you say are the implications of your two paragraphs here? Zoom out to the biggest possible picture, where we're one of numerous mammal species on the surface of this planet, and one near the top (hopefully) of the boom phase in the boom/bust cycle.

(As an aside, note that virtually every single problem facing our species today would not be any problem at all with the correct - sustainable - population level.)

The worst part of the dystopias painted by 1984 and Brave New World is not the oppressive tyranny that's laid down like a blanket on the populace, but their firm embrace of it...

Others may not agree that I've "jumped ahead to the conclusion" when considering this and similar issues, but I believe I'm being rational and objective. Characterize it how you will, but at least one way to perceive the situation is that the 'elites' have conclusively proven the vast majority of humans are not only excess, but a detriment to the survival of our species.

If it's a quality control test, we are obviously a defective product. If it's like offering a bait car to see if anyone will take it, we've taken it wholeheartedly.

"Uncle Ted" made some mistakes, and sorry for the tone of that article, but he was fundamentally correct about the nature of our species vis-à-vis technology.

The 'elites' are not innocents, but their contempt for the masses is not entirely misplaced.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's no question the "elites" have been discussing population control in a surprisingly overt way, but whether the virus was specifically engineered to set up the pins, the vaccines were designed to get the ball rolling, and the vaccine passports and mandates were intended to help knock the pins down, I can't say. It's an interpretation that assigns a lot of unknown intentions to, admittedly, a lot of unfathomably nefarious actors, but again, it's an interpretation.

I can conclude that something is going on, but because it's been deliberately shrouded by discouraging all questions and critical analysis followed by outright censorship that intensifies every day, I recognize clearly why conspiracy theories (and I don't use that term in a disparaging way) would crop up and point to the least charitable explanations. Isn't it funny, though, how those who have so much riding on obscuring the truth are so desperately concerned with "misinformation" and "conspiracy theories?"

In short, I have precisely zero trust in ANY institutions as a result, and though I'm sure something is going on, an unavoidable conclusion given all of the strident Establishment demands to strictly abide by their narrative even as it changes constantly, I have no reliable epistemological means of concluding exactly what for certain that might be.

But do I appreciate the fact that so many people are suggesting competing provisional interpretations of these events, any of which might turn out to be the correct one. It's just that it's vital not to lose sight of the fact that each is provisional until it can be proven. If we do ever hit on the truth, I look forward to seeing real justice, if such a thing is even possible anymore. If not, there are other, less savory remedies....

edit to add: I have perused Kaczynski's manifesto in the past, and I also think he saw with clear vision what was happening, whether or not he ultimately targeted the right individuals in order to address it. Though we got off on the wrong foot, I find our conversation edifying.

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I've just rediscovered this section of lost saidit tabs. (I'm a tab hoarder...) 😬

I recognize clearly why conspiracy theories ​would crop up and point to the least charitable explanations.

Population reduction seems like one of the most charitable explanations, at least for our species as a whole. The worst would be the opposite, with an increase to 10 billion and more being their goal. We're well on our way to becoming a human feed lot, just like we do for cattle, and for many of the same reasons. Farming humans has got to be the most profitable strategy they've ever come up with, but hopefully at least some of them have looked ahead to the consequences.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Not to s/nonmorons

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I got the vaccine and not cuz I believed the propaganda but I'd lose my job if I didn't. That's the insidious thing. Making us make that choice. Losing my job might as well mean I lose my life too cuz I built everything on it. House, family etc.

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    u/fschmidt is anti-human, he pretends to only hate "morons" but he really hates most humans in general.

    [–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I strongly suspect some such scenario, though I haven't come to any firm conclusion. Kind of like the idea of WTC demolition, there seems to be a lot pointing to it, but nothing at all that isn't dubious to some degree.

    It's important to keep our minds open to possibilities, and it's an important skill to be able to hold and mull a controversial idea in one's head for an extended time without reflexively latching on to it nor rejecting it out of hand, like most binary thinkers do. Skepticism is always healthy.

    Even that said, though, it's important to consider what it's possible to know. What I mean isn't necessarily what evidence there might be, but what's allowed to be discussed. When avenues of independent investigation are shut down by force, threat, or coercion, people begin to speculate about the things that don't seem to add up, but which they feel strongly discouraged to inquire into. The shutting down of critical examination leads directly to speculation, which is then branded "conspiracy theory," an additional tactic to discourage inquiry. When this is the atmosphere we're forced to live in, it's hard not to recognize the powers that be, whether government, capital, or corporations, as adversarial. From this perspective, it's hard to draw any conclusion about the underlying truth other than the most nefarious.

    I think such conclusions, like your own, are entirely legitimate. It's facile to fall back on the general rule that one has to have enough evidence to prove one's assertion, though that's almost universally true, because placing the burden of proof on the person making the assertion while some external agent attempts to make pursuing the truth and communicating the evidence a sisyphean task amounts to too great a burden to bear. In a case like this, it seems to me that the agent so diligently working to obscure the truth can be legitimately expected to bear the burden of disproving the assertion.

    Given all of the obviously intentional obfuscation that's gone on around the pandemic response, I think it's legitimate to expect government and pharmaceutical corporations benefitting from their own actions to address these assertions directly, commit to full transparency overseen by independent observers, and provide mechanisms for citizens to steer any response in democratic fashion.

    But the truth is, god forbid, you might well be right.

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    wishy washy post

    [–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Not accepting the conclusion is not tantamount to dismissing it. I'm entitled to give it all the consideration I think it's due. I'll draw a firm conclusion when I'm ready to come to one.

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    gotta take a stand

    [–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The stand I take is a political one. I have insufficient medical expertise to draw any conclusion regarding the empirical medical evidence, nor do I have any way to evaluate predictions of mayhem to follow this mass-vaccination campaign. I refuse to shout hysterically in the faces of those who choose to get the jab, despite the fact that many who did get it have shouted in mine to do the same. If the worst happens, I will reserve my sympathy for those obnoxious face-shouters, as there will be an enormous need for humane care for those who've been duped; as for those who perpetrated such a genocide, I will have no moral problem turning a blind eye to what becomes of them when they're caught.

    Vaccine mandates are an egregious violation of medical ethics, the bedrock principle of autonomy, and of human rights. Vaccine passports are also a violation of the human right to travel, participate in society as an equal citizen, and to determine one's own medical decisions in light of their own medical history, religious commitments, and personal choice. This is the hill I'm willing to die on. This is where I make my stand.