“Trans women are biological females”, “Hormones and surgery change biology” It’s both worrisome and sad that they truly seem to believe the BS they spew

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

This isn’t really new information - troons be cray cray.

It’s the brittleness of their delusional belief, the delusional belief that they themselves don’t actually believe, hence all the ferocious overreaction to even milquetoast disagreements and the refusal to engage in debate or negotiation.

The gay rights movement was most productive when they calmly explained and debated the people that disagreed with them and over time they won most of those people over - at least to the point of leaving them alone.

The troons can’t do that because not only are their claims clearly insane, they are demanding that others participate in their delusion by treating them contrary to reality.

[–]Beardbuster 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The real kicker about it is I don't think many people would give a shit how anyone identifies, trans or whatever. But it's when you start saying stuff like this that you force people to have an opinion on the matter. I have no problem being able to respect their chosen identity, it's honestly whatever to me, but you can't change the facts of reality. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They want the attention - if no one said anything about them, they would claim that they’re being erased or some shit. They’re not the only group to pull this, the whole switcheroo of “antiracism”, where colourblindness went from being the correct attitude to being the worst form of racism, is another example. It’s hard to milk those victim points when hardly anyone is doing anything to you, and society is already punishing those people that continue to be arseholes - but along comes the race grifters to turn the whole game on its head.

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The gay rights movement was most productive when they calmly explained and debated the people that disagreed with them and over time they won most of those people over - at least to the point of leaving them alone.

Don't forget the other side of it: The thing that changed most people's minds about gay rights (and basically equality for every group fighting for it) was ultimately just gay people being good people and living their lives, and making people on a individual level say "I love you, and any group that you're a part of can't possibly be bad."

By contrast, the modern viewpoint is "we are complete and utter pieces of shit, we celebrate being pieces of shit. If you can't do something for us, then we view you as subhuman and would say that to your face. All you are to us is a wallet or a dildo, and you need to be ecstatic we LET you be a wallet or a dildo for us." Regardless of the group they're in, they're just rotten human beings to the core, and they're turning people away from equality because ultimately, the person just doesn't want someone who they despise to be happy.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point, well made.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

and the older gays knew damn well that if there's a stereotype of being groomers and carriers of VD you don't sprint through an 8th-grade locker room and dive headfirst into a vat of used needles; now whenever someone sticks their dick into their mom, fucks a taxidermy fox, or is caught digging for used tampons and diapers a swarm of 17yos spams every "misgendering" comment with a Gentle Reminder to associate these acts with trans women

the only thing worse for The Cause would be to go door-to-door with graphic photos of the crimes and telling their neighbors "be sure and remember that a trans woman did this; can you promise me to spend at least 1 hour a week practicing the proper pronouns of the prison rapist, maybe go with some friends to a cafe and--" (yes, the cafe thing was cited as more Basic Decency here on TiA)

something people don't really remember is how the radfems' second-to-last-act was to kick unfabulous gays out of the Tumblr circle--they were just another MAN (and a whole 70-80% of them are huWITE!), so they're double patriarchal! that's what set off the battle royale for who could be the most Oppressed* [* sharing a category with people mistreated in the 1850s while being an upper-middle-class college student pursuing a degree good for nothing but a new DEI administrative role they have to make up]

they remind me of ultranationalists--get a 50 Cent Brigader, hotep, Christian Zionist, Turanist together in a room and they'll be gouging each other's eyes out despite sharing the exact same premises

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

With the problem with The Cause, it makes more sense for these people doing that shit when you remember the facts:

Trans rights are one of the single most successful acts of equality in human history. Seriously, the group was virtually unknown 20 years ago, and it's not just how many rights trans people have gotten, but they got this amount of equality in about a decade. THAT IS AN UNBRIDLED SUCCESS AS FAR AS SOCIAL JUSTICE GOES, and people should be lauded for how far, and how quickly, trans people have gotten to this level of equality.

And that makes these specific snarts SICK.

Always remember; these people are, at their core, kids raised by Harry Potter and the Hunger Games. They openly ADMIT this. And because of that, they want to be oppressed JUST...SO...BADLY, because if they're oppressed they get to be Harry Potter punching Nazis all the time, and especially punching those people in the middle who are Thanos killing half the babies. They already want attention as it is, but being oppressed gets to make them the super-special hero who fought to give their group social equality and acceptance...and they just can't do that when they found people are perfectly happy to give them social equality without a fight.

So, it becomes necessary for them to deliberately try to make themselves look bad, so that they create people to hate them, giving them Nazis to punch and letting them be oppressed so they can feel like they're fighting for something.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1628687961477750790

that's why they dilated the definition of "trans" to "you don't have to have dysphoria or surgery or clothes or makeup or shave or" and changed "queer" to "a man and a woman who have sex but feel kinda funny" so they could play the "someone like you was mean to someone like me once" game

it's what they have in common with the "TERFs" (actual, not "disagreed with me online") and why they hate them so much--they're their dark reflection, the primal origin, and they used to be the ones in charge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxAEBMfy7Pw and they still believe their basic concept that maleness in and of itself is Bad CAN'T SAY "B*D" NOW, IT MIGHT HAVE ANTI-NONBINARY ORIGINS

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that's why they dilated the definition of "trans" to "you don't have to have dysphoria or surgery or clothes or makeup or shave or" and changed "queer" to "a man and a woman who have sex but feel kinda funny" so they could play the "someone like you was mean to someone like me once" game

True, but this part is less actual people in the group, and more "people who are faking it for attention and popularity, KNOW they're faking it for attention and popularity, will be the first to TELL YOU they're faking it for attention and popularity, GLOAT that they're faking it for attention and popularity and they'll get away with it because the rules set up by the people who care about equality means that everyone- both actual LGBTQ people and the people calling them on faking it, have no choice but to let them win and get their way."

It's why the attention whores got the definition dilated (they don't care about the issue, they just know "being LGBTQ makes you cool and interesting and inherently good and deserve whatever you want, being straight makes you boring and normal and yucky and literally, inherently evil", so they changed the definition so they get to be in the group too"), and on the opposite side why it's being used by the unpopular to get their way (witness how incels use "transmaxxing" as a tool for this.)

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Then: Rock Hudson was gay.

Now: Trans musician strips on live TV to play the piano with her penis.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unfortunately this could be a mad libs for everything trans today. People complain about some outrageous activities a random TRA is doing and the response is always "why do you hate trans people?"

No they are mad a man wearing flesh tone underwear is in a miniskirt in front of 5 yr olds.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of this is a distraction though. Yeah it's tasteless and abhorrent to turn on the TV to see some bizarre penile piano performance, but it begs the question, why are you watching that crap to begin with?

Some wildly inappropriate performance is not suitable for broadcast television, but this shit thrives on attention and we are giving a lot of it. If this guy performed to an audience of zero would he still do it? If we spend our time outraged about some retarded television performer does that distract us from actually getting the political ball rolling to ban this sort of stuff from the schools or to prevent doctors from performing surgeries or prescribing hormones to minors?

We need to be deliberate in how we choose to expend our energy. We can't waste time getting outraged by every rediculous thing they do. We gotta go straight for the heart.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's on TV is a bit different from things they do in person.

But in regards to your point, I've hated "reality TV" since almost the beginning. Like when "The Real World" (season 1) came out on MTV i did think it was pretty interesting as a unique concept. I realized pretty quickly that "Road Rules" was far more interesting because the people actually had tasks to overcome instead of just sitting around being dramatic.

The infinite spin offs were just more and more shit and I found "RuPaul's" to be just as bad as everything else. It felt like friends and family were all in on the useless drama though and I just found it incredibly annoying that they would turn on the TV to watch this stuff as a choice. RuPaul's in particular brothered me because it feels like the media force diverted the zeitgeist of the gay community to be a full on caricature of what unfriendly straights used to pretend we were.

[–]thomastheglassexpert 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A quote from Abraham Lincoln = "how many legs does a dog have if you count the tail as a leg? 4. Calling a tail a leg does not make it so".

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"But thankfully, chromosomes don't define our gender..."

Because science has nothing to do with your gender religion, that's why.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Chromosomes don't define their gender but apparently horse piss hormones do.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

horse piss hormones

That's what birth control is made from too.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not taking it far enough, you'd be labeled truscum if you talked like that.

[–]William_World 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they probably are working on changing DNA with these vaccines

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If trans women were female why can't they have babies?

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they're feminists.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

You know what? I'd love it if they got what they wanted, and it became possible to change one's dna from one sex to the other. Because what they don't understand would happen is - a whole lot of women would switch to male to escape the societal and biological limits of their sex. So, it won't turn out the way they expect. (Remember, even now, a good 70-80% of trans people are actually ftm.....)

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

We'd be having an entirely different argument if it were actually possible to wave a magic wand and change your sex. It would be far less concerning of a social issue as well if it was actually safe and reversible.

Though I suspect a lot of the same issues would remain. If you are unhappy with yourself, that's not going to change if you can just poof into being someone else. You're still you. You still have the same problems.

I reckon there's a lot of grass is greener on the other side thinking going on. I think a lot of women who think somehow being a man would fix their problems would find they've just got a whole lot of new problems to deal with. And those incel types that think they'd be able to get laid if only they were a woman are still going to fail to pick up lesbians. Or men for that matter.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Although you are right that a "grass is greener on the other side" definitely applies..... I still insist that it's no coincidence that a whooping 80-90% of people going trans are actually female-to-male. We tend to forget that's what happens. A huge majority of trans, is actually women who don't want to be women. Yet, we almost only ever talk about the small percentage of men who want to become women.

This speaks volumes.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Until very recently it's been the other way around. Vast majority of trans identified individuals were men identifying as women.

That has changed in the last decade.

I think it's no surprise that more women think the grass is greener on the other side, not all women are stupid and correctly deduce that dudes rock.

I think the problem comes more on conflating the benefits men have in society with actually being a man. "Oh if only I was a man I could do all this stuff but I can't"

Besides winning the men's powerlifting competition. What exactly does being a man afford you that isn't achievable as a woman? I guess you don't have to menstruate. (You do have to mansplain though).

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What exactly does being a man afford you that isn't achievable as a woman?

No unwanted pregnancy, faaaaaaaar less likely to endure rape, being taken more seriously, being respected more, not being valued for your looks over your skills, becoming more interesting with age, being far better at any sport, being able to do things like traveling all alone without fear, having society literally tailored to you down to medicine numbers.....

In case you missed it, we live in a world where women got normal civil rights only a literal century ago, and only in some countries. And that already was enough to get some beta males in a hissy fit and try to ruin their rights by pretending they're women too.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think the reason women have been considered second-hand citizens in history is only because of men. It's mostly because of other women.

But anyway, imagine if you thought being a woman is moving your long eyelashes, spinning a skirt and having men do your bidding at the drop of a hat? That would be like me thinking being a man is about lifting logs and dating multiple ladies.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure the weird romanticized view of the other sex (which should be considered evidence the person is actually straight) is something that is silly.

I'm talking less about "what shitty things do women have to deal with" and more like, general life goals. Sure a woman can't be a professional American football player (or well, technically she can, but it's not going to happen) but that's true of the vast majority of men as well, we can say it's because of her gender but it's more because she isn't physically capable of doing it, just like the majority of men who are also not physically capable of doing it. But nothing is going to stop the most physically capable women from making a living at sports if that's what they want to do.

Same with things like the corporate world. Nothing preventing women from becoming CEO. But they have to make the same choice as the men there and they're also competing with the most competitive men for the position. Is it worth it to trade your social and family life for corporate prestige? Do you have the social skills and smarts to navigate that world while also having leadership skills? It's not so simple a gender gap. The gap becomes more pronounced at the extremes simply due to the law of averages. But when it comes to us at the individual level we do have to compete against ourselves. Most men and most women will never be on the top of whatever it is simply by the nature of it. It's limited to a few.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having society not take you seriously is better than your own body not taking you seriously.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a whole lot of more important things men can't do. Having the extraordinary ability to remember my childhood has taught me just how much of a tool I am to nature after going through puberty. I should be gaining cognitive ability and health, not losing it.

Of course, maybe there's just something wrong with me. Other men seem to embrace it.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Health and cognitive ability both decline with age. Healthy living habits can reverse it for a time. But eventually the spectre of death will catch up with us all.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am a young adult. It happened overnight at the beginning of puberty, and has been getting steadily worse ever since.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's because we've liberated women, but men are still fully expected to comply with masculine gender norms. So no one cares when women want to be men, but when men want to be women it's the ultimate sin.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Or perhaps, I don't know.... it's because women pretending to be men is not a problem but men pretending to be women IS a problem. I don't see women barging into the men's bathrooms to rape them, you know? Nor do I see transmen destroying the male sports league. But you know all of this already, unless you're a complete imbecile.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Most people who talk about trannies don't give a shit about any of that. They even say things like "Yeah I'm all for trans women on women's teams because women shouldn't be in sports!". It's definitely because people are more offended and disgusted by men breaking gender norms. They are just as upset with crossdressers and drag queens who don't claim to be women. You can even see this at a less blatant level: men who are emotional or sensitive or have any weaknesses whatsoever are demonized. Men who need help with anything are demonized. Men who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an eye if a woman acts either way. And gay men are despised way more than lesbians.

We recognize that men can be predators and abusive. But we seem to be unable to admit that women are also capable of wrong.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You can even see this at a less blatant level: men who are emotional or sensitive or have any weaknesses whatsoever are demonized. Men who need help with anything are demonized. Men who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an eye if a woman acts either way.

Women who are assertive or independent are demonized. Women who don't act feminine and nurturing are demonized. Women who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an an eye if a man acts either way.

I only agree with you about the homosexuality part - but the fact that gay men are despised way more than lesbians is only another proof that we're living in the patriarchy (as much as this is being said so much that the word is losing its meaning). Lesbians are fine because men can fantasize about them. Gay men are not fine because they make some men uncomfortable.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe if you live in some weird 1950s traditionalist circle (which I admit is becoming more common these days, thanks to SJW whackjobs making people think we need that). Or don't live in a western country. Otherwise feminism has succeeded too well.

Women can wear men's clothes. But a dude wearing a dress is a freak. If you look at every gender role, it follows the same pattern: celebrate women in traditionally male roles, but men must stay true to their obligation of masculinity.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Otherwise feminism has succeeded too well.

FEMINISM HAS GONE TOO FAR!! WOMEN CAN WEAR PANTS!! WOMEN CAN EVEN BE SOLDIERS OR LAWYERS!! THIS IS GOING TOO FAR!!

Women can wear men's clothes. But a dude wearing a dress is a freak.

Nobody thinks that a dude wearing a dress is a freak. Nobody. In case you missed the memo, the sexually ambiguous metrosexual was all the rage and still is.

The problem is that freaks often wear dresses. Don't confuse one thing with another, pal.

Everybody was fine with men wearing dresses..... then y'all ruined it by making sure it's only creepy fetishists who do that.

If you look at every gender role, it follows the same pattern: celebrate women in traditionally male roles, but men must stay true to their obligation of masculinity.

Which is why there's this push that femininity is not a biological fact, but it's spinny dresses and high heels. Right? This is totally because we destroyed them gender roles.

Oh, fuck off.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's not going too far. What's going too far is demonizing men as nothing but pigs and rapists who oppress the innocent angel women, and demanding that women retain the special privileges they have traditionally but not any of the restrictions or responsibilities. I say they should not have either, because I'm not a sexist.