“Trans women are biological females”, “Hormones and surgery change biology” It’s both worrisome and sad that they truly seem to believe the BS they spew

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[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Most people who talk about trannies don't give a shit about any of that. They even say things like "Yeah I'm all for trans women on women's teams because women shouldn't be in sports!". It's definitely because people are more offended and disgusted by men breaking gender norms. They are just as upset with crossdressers and drag queens who don't claim to be women. You can even see this at a less blatant level: men who are emotional or sensitive or have any weaknesses whatsoever are demonized. Men who need help with anything are demonized. Men who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an eye if a woman acts either way. And gay men are despised way more than lesbians.

We recognize that men can be predators and abusive. But we seem to be unable to admit that women are also capable of wrong.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You can even see this at a less blatant level: men who are emotional or sensitive or have any weaknesses whatsoever are demonized. Men who need help with anything are demonized. Men who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an eye if a woman acts either way.

Women who are assertive or independent are demonized. Women who don't act feminine and nurturing are demonized. Women who make mistakes are demonized. No one bats an an eye if a man acts either way.

I only agree with you about the homosexuality part - but the fact that gay men are despised way more than lesbians is only another proof that we're living in the patriarchy (as much as this is being said so much that the word is losing its meaning). Lesbians are fine because men can fantasize about them. Gay men are not fine because they make some men uncomfortable.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe if you live in some weird 1950s traditionalist circle (which I admit is becoming more common these days, thanks to SJW whackjobs making people think we need that). Or don't live in a western country. Otherwise feminism has succeeded too well.

Women can wear men's clothes. But a dude wearing a dress is a freak. If you look at every gender role, it follows the same pattern: celebrate women in traditionally male roles, but men must stay true to their obligation of masculinity.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Otherwise feminism has succeeded too well.

FEMINISM HAS GONE TOO FAR!! WOMEN CAN WEAR PANTS!! WOMEN CAN EVEN BE SOLDIERS OR LAWYERS!! THIS IS GOING TOO FAR!!

Women can wear men's clothes. But a dude wearing a dress is a freak.

Nobody thinks that a dude wearing a dress is a freak. Nobody. In case you missed the memo, the sexually ambiguous metrosexual was all the rage and still is.

The problem is that freaks often wear dresses. Don't confuse one thing with another, pal.

Everybody was fine with men wearing dresses..... then y'all ruined it by making sure it's only creepy fetishists who do that.

If you look at every gender role, it follows the same pattern: celebrate women in traditionally male roles, but men must stay true to their obligation of masculinity.

Which is why there's this push that femininity is not a biological fact, but it's spinny dresses and high heels. Right? This is totally because we destroyed them gender roles.

Oh, fuck off.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's not going too far. What's going too far is demonizing men as nothing but pigs and rapists who oppress the innocent angel women, and demanding that women retain the special privileges they have traditionally but not any of the restrictions or responsibilities. I say they should not have either, because I'm not a sexist.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough. There -are- women like that, unfortunately. Human beings being human beings - there's always some dipshit trying to exploit a good cause, regardless of gender.