PRONOUNSThings can change, it’s called progress

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

A disingenuous argument. When there was sufficient evidence for multiple chemical elements the Classical view of four elements was discarded.

Biologists would happily discard the 2 sex model, if provided sufficient evidence. The biologist who developed the evidence would probably get a Nobel prize in Physiology or some shit. The sticking point is that science doesn’t accept “I feel like a boy today, but yesterday I felt like a girl” as evidence of anything other than an individual with too few real problems.

We went through all this with the creationists in the 00s, if you don’t agree with evolutionary theory that’s great, just provide the evidence for your alternate theory and collect your Nobel. No, what’s written in a book isn’t evidence.

The shameful thing is that a lot of the people who were vocal critics of creationism have suddenly adopted this evidence-less religious belief in trans etc. it’s fucking weird.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

it’s fucking weird.

No it's not. Makes perfect sense once you realize that they just replaced the religion that didn't cater to their personal delusions with one that did.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

GK Chesterton may have had a little point when he said:

”When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they become capable of believing in anything.”

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

people who were vocal critics of creationism have suddenly adopted this evidence-less religious belief in trans etc.

Religious/conservatives had long pointed out that it would a matter of time before that particular group spirals into their own ivory tower of the Next Smart Thing (TM). It was called 'slippery slope', 'strawman', 'exaggeration', 'satire' and so on.

Then current year exists.

[–]alladd 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People who claim to have no religion are still religious. They've just switched to worshipping themselves. The things they feel most comfortable making leaps of faith on are the things that their narcissism determines to be obstructing their happiness. Which, unsurprisingly, are all about sex and social validation.

It's honestly amazing how many "hardcore atheists" still capitulate to some quasi-spiritual "I was destined to become this" doublespeak the second reality threatens their fantasy.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yep. Actually the four elemental theory of chemical physics was much closer to gender theory as there wasn't a testable model and it was mostly people just making substances fit the categories based on what they felt was right. But of course to be fair, this was centuries ago without the same level of scientific documentation and tools necessary to do the experiments.

Our current understanding of the periodic is also, almost certainly incomplete, and doesn't really describe the fundamental nature of matter. It falls apart below the subatomic, as atoms themselves aren't the fundamental building blocks of matter. There are smaller things still.

The 4 classical elements is actually still somewhat useful as a model because it describes one thing, the four known phases of matter. Earth=solids, water=liquids wind=gas and fire=plasma. It's not describing the fundamental building blocks of matter but they didn't exactly have microscopes back then.

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The 4 elemental theory is also deeply philosophical. It's actually pretty interesting stuff.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Farts=Bose-Einstein Condensate

Hehe

For people without even the philosophical underpinning of the scientific method, the natural philosophers and alchemists did enough that their descendants could incrementally improve on what they left behind.

The willingness to change theories as evidence is uncovered is the key and it’s why the Critical Studies fields can largely be ignored, they’re based on assertions and ignore evidence. They’ve entirely given up on falsifiability, and handwave away inconsistencies and contradictions.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

oddly I just remembered a 60s physics comic:

a man standing in a blank panel: "in 1900 humanity has no idea of the universe it inhabited" "then he discovered the triangle" (panel's split up) "then in 1932 he discovered the antitriangle" (the splits are mirrored below the man in the panel) "in 1964 he discovered the rhombus, the serration, the trapezoid, etc." (man's surrounded by lots of odd new shapes) "in the future he will discover the hemidemitriangle" (man's surrounded by smaller triangles) "and by the year 2000, humanity has no idea of the universe it inhabited," surrounded by a uniform mess of tiny triangles

(and even in social sciences you have to at least show your shit; even the silliest conceptual performance art makes you ... perform art, you can't just say "I've talked to other people I know and they agree with my vibe": the "studies" are just op-ed pages with tenure)

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep it all comes down in the end to how things are defined and whether or not your model is testable and repeatable.

Technically speaking in the world, there are more than two sexes and variations within that. But we are then talking about the reproductive systems of other non-human species. I don't think anyone is arguing the point that all sex is identical to human sex.

But then we get to the humans and their sex, and it's very clear that humans like all mammals have very clear sexual divergence as it pertains to reproduction, where one individual produces male gametes and another produces female gametes. There are no zemale gametes. It is a binary.

Now if we want to talk about gender "expression" or gender as a kind synonym for personality. I'll concede that there is an infinite number of ways humans can choose to express themselves and you can go about categorizing them however you wish. But it's hardly scientific. And it has little bearing on the physical capacity for reproduction, though I will also concede that there is certainly a strong negative correlation between actual fertility and identifying as a non-binary gender type.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When you take away religion, you create a hole in society that needs to be filled. Woke culture filled that hole.

Ironically, most religious people believe that the universe was created over a long period of time, and that the earth is round. But many people see creationists and flat earthers when they think of religion because it’s what the media shows them. Frankly, most so-called atheists in America aren’t atheist at all: they just claim they are so they can piss of their religious parents and institutions. Plus, they don’t want to go to mass every week.

[–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I made a post about that a few months ago.It's bizarre that some atheist(not all of course)would mock those that say"I believe there's a God because everything "feels"like it was designed by a creator."Fast forward to the trans issues and its."I think i'm a woman because i "Feel" like one."some how makes it true.Like i said,the only way for this to be true is if there's a gendered soul that got trapped into the wrong body.

[–]alladd 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

In order:

Man

Woman

person who wants to cross the gender binary

person who is their binary gender

person with dyed hair

person with dyed hair

boy

girl

person with dyed hair

joke

joke

joke

very scientific

[–]OuroborosTheory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and ironically the gender symbols are all very alchemical, as contrasted to the isotopic average numbers of each element (which actually do vary around the globe! science!)

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The gender symbols are only that way because Linnaeus decided to use the astrological/astronomical/alchemical symbol for Venus/copper for female and Mars/Iron for male in his push to develop a systematic biological classification. All the other gender symbols are just bastardisation of those two (I’m still waiting for someone to try to use The Artist formerly known as Prince’s symbol for a neogender, would be an amazing troll).

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if someone's got Zeus's symbol as gender/sexuality--well, it's too late and you're gonna have a demigod, uterus or not!

[–]Horror-Swordfish 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's also called "progress for the sake of progress," and it's not necessarily a good thing, nor does it mean that it's an objectively correct worldview. This is just like the people that say, "Language evolves, get over it," when we complain about words losing all meaning. Yes, language evolves, but naturally and by agreement of most (if not all) people in a particular society. You can't just force this stuff and tell everyone they have no choice but to go along with it.

[–]clownworlddropout 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Man, woman, and shit you grow out of in your mid-20s. This era is such a damn joke.

[–]shadeviking 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

"Man Woman Transgender"

So transpeople aren't men or women?

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The style is stolen and they're proud about it

[–]lunarstrain 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The funny part is Stonetoss is mocking another artist's style to begin with. This is the style of Shmorky, the trans diaperfur who wore a shitty yarn wig and used a Mickey Mouse voice. Look up "shmorky klurf" to see where he got his inspiration. There was a small and mostly ironic conspiracy theory that Stonetoss was actually Shmorky.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

shmorky klurf

Amusingly, the most thorough explanation of who that shmorky guy is, and why he sucks as a person, comes a Reddit post pointing out what a vile human being Stonetoss is :D.

[–]r2d2_21 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't know that was what Stonetoss was referencing. Now I can only ask: why?

[–]r2d2_21 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What is the thought process here? They say Stonetoss is a Nazi, and then proceed to copy his art style?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Something, something, reclaim it for the cause, something, something, [insert self-righteous congratulatory dickbeating here]

[–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Er I think you'll find Stonetoss identifies as a black woman.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Transgender is a gender?

[–]OuroborosTheory 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

just flip it around on them--"are you saying trans women are SEPARATE from women!?"

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

get stuck in a software loop

[–]shortchick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I guess transgender, cisgender, man, and woman are all different genders? scratches head The chalkboard makes no sense.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

So I'm guessing we just have to chop these trans people up and put them though a mass spectrometer to find out their true gender?

No?

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

TIL the periodic table was invented by Tumblr

[–]LtGreenCo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At least the 4 elements were based on observable phenomenon and have some basis in reality if you consider them just crude interpretations of the states of matter. Earth=Solid, Water=Liquid, Air=Gas, Fire=Plasma.

Whereas the 3rd and onward genders are based on... feelings? "I feel like a girl today so that's what I am" - there's nothing even remotely scientific about it.

[–]handbananasrevenge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are so fucking obsessed with themselves.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The old "gender" slight of hand again. Gender is made up nonsense and not something studied by biologists. That would be sex.

[–]deusex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's funny, because previously they were outright saying "Gender is a social construct." Yet now they are trying to shoehorn biology into their argument about gender. It doesn't work that way.

[–]toki_weka 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the owner of this account is a zoophile lol