I'd like to remind everyone there is a "block user" and a "block sub" button under every post and every comment. Please use them! You can unblock users by clicking the "blocked" tab on the preferences page, or unblock subs by going to that sub directly and hitting "unblock sub" under any post there.

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[–]SaidOverRed 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (26 children)

Possibly Unpopular Opinion: I do not use the block button on saidit unless it's a last resort. Like, repeated direct personal attack level, as happened from one of the mods of one of the larger subs on here. I have no opinion on the mute sub button (I was already banned from the sub in question when said mod stalked me over a 'I banged your mom' level of joke taken too literally). That community was toxic enough in general that I have no interest in going back.

I'm on saidit because I want to know what saidit thinks as a whole and blocking people willy-nilly defeats that purpose. I encourage others to post in subs they might otherwise not, so long as they give it a fair shot and observe the pyramid of debate. Again being trigger happy over everyone blocking everyone else kinda defeats the purpose. Like that popper guy who cried that I might be a bot, as if anyone's programming skills could generate this level of communication (well beyond the Turing Test).

Now on Reddit (yes I'm just as shocked as any of you that I'm not banned there yet), I do use the block button more readily. It's large and the site wide mods ban wrongthinkers like me without a second thought so it's best not to roll too long with the pigs. The last one was for a woman who admitted to abusing her daughter. I have no tolerance for hurting or disadvantaging children.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Is that really an unpopular opinion? I haven't blocked anyone (not even popper, socks, or nemacolin) or any subs here. On another site I've blocked a few, but only for spamming actual retardation that corrupted my front page.

Personal attacks don't bother me much, as I've been repeatedly immunized over the years. Would have to be more like a stalker after ignoring them to get me to block.

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I salute you.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

I agree with you and /u/Node, for reasons already mentioned to M7: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7kfe/id_like_to_remind_everyone_there_is_a_block_user/sh2p

[–]Node 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

Same, even though you post some inexplicable far-left gibberish sometimes, it's not a reason to block you. It does seem like you're 'shilling' when you do that, but then other times you appear normal. You're a mystery, and maybe someday I'll understand what that's all about. Meantime, cheers!

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

What no one can explain to me is: why would anyone want to operate as a 'shill' on Saidit?

Consider the influence footprint: 20 anti-vaxxers, 5 Nazis, and 40 angry 'superstraight' people?

Also: what's the point of a 'shill' on Saidit: to try to defend what's already already believed by 90% of the people around the world?

And what would I get for my efforts? (Seriously: I could use the money)

Why not: see Saidit as a place for debate and focus on the debate? Is that so hard?

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Shut down competition to reddit, shut down speech of things some people don't want to be publicly said

We always have a huge shill influx when we get a bunch of new users. They want this site not to grow, seems to be their primary aim.

Why wouldn't a billion-dollar corporation like reddit pay some kids $12/hr to destroy all their competition? They'd almost be dumb not to. Furthermore there's probably plenty of people who would do it for free for various reasons (because they don't like what's being said on saidit)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK - I think this may reference both shills and influencers. It's difficult to believe what I don't see, though I appreciate that you've seen it. The recent IronLeft attacks appear to be from one or more ex-Saiditors who are rather emotional about their banned accounts, but I also appreciate your earlier points about the long history of attacks at Saidit, which I had forgotten about when posing the question about shills. The main reason for the question is that I am often called a shill at Saidit (mainly by 2 people, not a big deal), and I suppose I am getting tired of it. It also seems absolutely absurd to me that my occasional disagreement with disinformation (distributed by shills and special interest groups) results in claims that I am a shill.

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Shills often pre-emptively accuse others of being shills. It's a common defense tactic. Then when you accuse them, it looks like you're copying what they said, and then you just have a thread with everyone calling everyone shills and no one knows what's going on. It's another screwball tactic that's super common once you notice it

[–]Node 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

why would anyone want to operate as a 'shill' on Saidit?

Human motivations are often a mystery, even when there seems to be a simple explanation.

[–]RightousBob 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

The answer is simple. The reason shills like ol sucks here are on Saidit is because this site is essentially uncontrolled territory. Opinions outside of the mainstream narrative are plentiful around here and those who are opposed to that kind of radical individual thought simply could never allow a site like Saidit to turn into a haven for free speech and free thought. Shills are like cancer, if there is a cell to covert and corrupt to their side they will be there regardless of size. Sucks is an obvious shill and a bad one at that.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

^ This.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

to try to defend what's already already believed by 90% of the people around the world?

More shill bullshit. Can't resist can you?

[–]Akali 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I can see that. In fact, you don't sound far left to me, but more center left.

But since I'm center right and most people here are moderate right wing, I guess you seem far left to them.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, man: I am literally a Chinese-faggot-commie-shill-retard-Redditor-antifa-leftist-bot-libtard-dumbass-establishment-cuck. Ask anyone.

:-)

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He's a defender of AOC, Bernie, and the Dems despite their lies and advocates for the authoritarian corporatocracy and their vaccines.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How is it you're so up on the "footprint" and thus the ostensible grounds for devoting shill resources? That's an odd thing to let slip. But it would be if you were a paid social media influencer. There are lots of underemployed writers out there who would love $12/hour to mess with people they hate anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or we could continue a dialogue on this topic we don't understand...

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I'll never block you, socks. ;-)

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That socks!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL!

[–]Akali 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Totally agree with you. The best part of saidit is the many uncensored opinion.

Except a single troll who spamed the same word filling the message box, I've never blocked anyone.

[–]Pis-dur 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly. I would advise not to block anybody. Blocking people makes a person getting into his own echo chamber, which should not be how we use the Internet. Instead, we should report users to the moderators if they spread spam or break the rules of a sub.
(dammit, I've repeated it 3 times in this post, I feel like a spammer now -.- )

[–]Akali 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

don't worry. The guy I was referencing to spammed 1 word comments and did it like 15 time. You're no spammer.

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you (and akali). I'm trying very hard to fight the ... echo chamber effect that the internet is reinforcing lately. I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes that what I'm attempting is a good thing. I don't expect others do it. It can be hard and frustrating to constantly force yourself to interact with ideas you know you won't agree with, but I have to be sure of the things I believe.

So far, the most surprising thing is that a lot of people I heartily disagree with can see the same problems I do, sometimes with even better clarity than me. I am aware that that is not always a given (anymore), but I was expecting that mismatch to be worse. It seems mainly solutions and expected outcomes are what primarily differs between me and others (and everyone else).