LGB NewsI have a very bad feeling about this event and its consequences for the Drop the TQ cause

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[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What are your feelings and/or consequences you're envisioning?

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

When marches and protests and parades first started, no one was clamouring to join them who wasn’t LGB. Now the entire planet seems to be insistent about being able to join in or else we’re exclusionist bigots. The TRAs and their enablers will whip up a storm of hatred for these nasty nasty people discriminating against the petite, harmless transies who are the most vulnerable and cruelly treated people in the world. There will be sea of counter protesters and haters and international coverage. With an entirely unsympathetic media and the power of the two tranzillionaires against us, I just can’t see any tangible benefit. I’ve never been one to hold back on fighting for myself but I just can’t see how this tactic will be anything but a PR disaster.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 19 insightful - 11 fun19 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

It's going to be very ironic if there would be Stonewall riot but instead of homosexuals vs cops its going to be homosexuals vs queers and trans.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

homosexuals vs queers

Is it bad that I miss the time when those two terms meant pretty much the same thing?

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this is kinda where its heading, nyc (Manhattan) right now is very sjw, I can see blm and antifa showing up. And not enough LGB there for it to matter. Silver lining is that it alerts people to the fact that some LGB have real issues with gender ideology.

[–]lunarstrain 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly why I said LGB events have to start off as a semi exclusive and secret ordeal in reply to that post asking about how to start something like this. I'm also concerned about physical violence, this could get very ugly, very quickly. The lads at the Tenacious Unicorn ranch beat up a woman for just holding a counter protest sign at a trans march, now imagine a whole group of enraged men and roided women who feel they're being "threatened".

[–]DimDroog 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't matter if it's a PR disaster.

I find this encouraging, and it surely will encouraging for those that show up.

I'm hoping it opens the eyes of others who think the LGBTQUEREWWR community is just one big happy family, that there are huge issues going on

[–]hufflepuff-poet 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want to have one of these in my city! More homosexuals and bisexuals need to stand up and loudly and proudly proclaim our difference and disagreement with "the LGBTQ+ community" and their increasing degenerate demands and dysfunctional delusions.

The ship is sinking (the smarter of the trans grifters and charlatans are starting to jump ship) and we are going to be dragged down with them, if more normies don't see us pushing back against this gender woo. Yet we're the ones who are harmed most by the movement. :(

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A bad feeling? Sounds great to me.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They've already shot themselves in the foot by declaring this a "homosexual exclusive event." I wouldn't attend or support this event if I lived in New York, I would be stepping on toes and commiting various social sins if I even attempted to. It may be that bisexuals are allowed if they're gay enough, possibly, and can blend in and not attract too much attention.

Repeating the mistakes of the past and expecting a different result. Yes, this will be attacked relentlessly.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

On top of that the TRAs literally do not care about definitions. A bunch of AGP will show up and believe they are homosexuals.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the main problem (other than excluding bisexuals). How does one enforce people adhering to the correct meanings of words, when the entire problem is that they won't do so?

This is supposedly not happening until September, so there's plenty of time for who-knows-what to happen in the meantime that might influence going through with this.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are plenty of transwomen and transmen who are homosexuals, who I'm sure aren't going to approve of this and will try to sabotage it. Not to mention people who identify as homosexuals but know they aren't.

Hopefully they've thought about security a little.

[–]Shales123 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm. I live in NYC and would wanna support this, but I don't wanna get punched in the face by an AGP. I weigh 103 pounds. Hopefully they'll be some big burly gym gays there

[–]jim_steak 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I see what you guys mean about this getting attacked, but honestly I think that might be a good thing. If trans people and gay people are publicly fighting and holding protests against each other, it'll make people rethink the idea that the LGBTQ+ community is a monolith. Even if the average gay person will look at this and blame the gay organizers for being exclusionary, I think it's possible some gay people will look at this and wonder why gay people aren't allowed to have our own spaces.

Ultimately, I think if we're going to break from the TQ+ portion of the community and the broader social justice coalition there's going to be a lot of messy infighting no matter what, and the optics of trans people angrily protesting a gay only event are better for us than they are for them.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the footage was six 6'4" AGPs attacking 5' lesbians, then yes, there could be some value in it, although I definitely don't want any lesbians being attacked. The problem is that the media is very much in the hands of straight men who have some bizarre affinity and empathy for monster trans women, so we can't trust them to spin the narrative the way we'd like.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you want to subvert media control, online is the way to do it.

It's nice that they're doing this, but several of the people associated with this event are elderly and I think as a political strategy street marches aren't viable right now. It's outdated as a tactic.

This can be useful in other ways- mostly networking.

The only sympathetic press they'll get if they get harassed is from right wing media in the U.S.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Street demonstrations now:

-Thousands of people peacefully marching in the streets-

Media Corporations instead all continuously broadcast a 15 second clip of a scuffle between 2 drunks outside a nearby bar where one gets a bloody nose. The cops arrives afterward but by then the two had already shaken hands and went home.

Headlines are "Extremist DEATH March Immediately Turns Violent - Law enforcement intervene but say that they were helpless against the maelstrom of political radicals as BLOOD is Shed"