HomophobiaGC Twitters criticism of Pete & Chasten Buttigiegs Adoption is getting homophobic

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[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (45 children)

Or "misandry". I'm a staunch radfem lesbian and believe only women should raise children in a matriachy... although I know women can be wicked, like the white lesbian couple who murdered their (6, iirc) adopted nonwhite children. They used their undernourished adopted black son as a prop during BLM protests and had him hugging a white cop. Sickening!

So what may seem like homophobia may be another form of bigotry (in the eyes of men or white people).

[–]Criticallacitirc[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So with straight couples do you believe fathers shouldn't be involved with raising their children?

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Of course I believe that. I don't believe children should even live in households with men. So children should be raised by "a village" of women, like female elephants help mothers with their babies... that's what women should do. Back in the 70s, radfems did that... but they didn't want mothers bringing their sons into the communities. That's "extreme" separatism which I support... boys don't belong in female communities, but in the integrated world, it's fine for moms to raise their sons with other women. I personally try to do this when I date moms... get rid of their children's fathers and raise the kids with my girlfriends. 😄

So basically, when a child is born... the fathers should go live elsewhere, and the moms should have a female support system to help raise their babies. I HATE the concept of a "nuclear family" involving men.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t believe children should even live in households with men

I strongly disagree with this. Men are not a danger to children just because they are men. There are some men who are a danger to children, but there are some women who are a danger to children as well. I support lesbian couples raising children, and I also support single mothers who are widows, or who have been abandoned by their kids' fathers, but the idea that men should not be around children is absurd.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've known a number of men who were better parents to their kids than the mothers were. (And each of these men had a strong nurturing instinct which one might call a maternal instinct if it were embodied by a woman.)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. Men can be excellent fathers, and the positive impact they have on their children’s lives can never be underestimated.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I credit the three men I've been closest to in this lifetime with offering the vast majority of the healthy nurturing and support I received growing up and into early adulthood. Wouldn't trade them for the world.

[–]insta 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then why are single parent household's kids such a statistical disaster?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's funny how most of the people who glorify single-parenthood aren't single parents themselves.

It's almost like being a single parent is a very hard thing and most of the people who end up in this situation don't do so by choice, but by necessity.

Most of the single parents I have contact with have to deal with a crushing dilema in their daily lives: either to dedicate most of their energy to work, securing some economic stability for their children, or dedicate most of their time to the kid and being led to a potentially economical tight spot.

There's no way around it: a single person cannot raplace two.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

I do think newborns are much better off with female parents and men raising very young children feels a bit unnatural. Might be because of coming from very mommy-centric culture but that pic just feel weird for me. But it's good they didn't use a woman womb to get kids

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do think newborns are much better off with female parents and men raising very young children feels a bit unnatural.

This is kind of counterintuitive to the message that fathers should be involved with the lives of their children, isn't it?

Basic child rearing abilities should be a basic skill for any father worth their salt.

It's hypocritical to campaign for gender equality without upholding this principle.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Saying mn need to be involved and do the work for their kids, isn't the same thing as a kids with only males parents and no female ones though, at all.Again, never said two men could't raise a kid, I said isn't as natural and seeing a newborn with two males and no female around, kind give off unnatural initial perception.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I said isn't as natural and seeing a newborn with two males and no female around, kind give off unnatural initial perception.

C'mon, you know why this is the case: society dumps most of the child rearing on women, so a male taking such responsability ends up feeling very off for most people.

As society's become more and more equal, these kinds of taboos will have to be addressed.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't just that. Naturally is the one who keep children inside and put them in the world, that's seeing newborn around withot females feels so unnatural. It isn't society that makes female figure so essential and naturally more involved in child rearing. Totally equality can't be have as the sexes aren't totally equal. That doesn't mean males can raise kids fine or shouldn't do equal amount of work raising them, but it isn't just society the reason of fthe naturality of child raising by female, it's simply nature.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly this may be an unpopular opinion here but I think it's an absolute necessity children have both nurturing/instructive male and female adults in their formative years. If you want to have kids as a gay couple I think it's then important to find someone else that can act as that other influence.

Fathers do serve very important roles and if anything I think the over-reliance of female instruction which is common considering how most elementary school teachers and other forms of child care like day care are run by woman isn't really a good thing. Men and women do socialize somewhat differently and you need a balance of that for effective child rearing. Especially for young men they need responsible male adults to provide proper example of what they need to be.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I myself think hetero family are the most natural and ideal. Homosexuals arent supposed to raise kids. This doesn't mean we can do much better than many het couples, but children do need both examples and is important that at least they (gay parents) can give them somehow

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Or "misandry". I'm a staunch radfem lesbian and believe only women should raise children in a matriachy... although I know women can be wicked, like the white lesbian couple who murdered their (6, iirc) adopted nonwhite children. They used their undernourished adopted black son as a prop during BLM protests and had him hugging a white cop. Sickening!

Funny you say that especially considering lesbians have the highest domestic violence and divorce rates within the LGBT, so even if there was a female-only matriarchal utopia you'd divorce or hit each other still.

Also, single mom households statistically have contributed to a lot of imbalance in society, like criminals, insane TRAs or sinply people with deep rooted issues. Its not a critique that women cannot raise children alone, no, but its a fact that children who grow up without fathers are more likely to be fucked up. Its a pattern you can see in the TRAs too, so many MTFs never had a positive male rolemodel in the lives

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Funny you say that especially considering lesbians have the highest domestic violence and divorce rates within the LGBT,

No they don't. This is a stereotype about lesbian women being violent. Source for your claim?

Here's my source: US CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010)

From p. 24/48: There were no statistically significant differences in intimate partner violence experienced (IPV) between the lesbian women and heterosexual women groups, but there were statistically significant differences between the lesbian women and bisexual women, and between the bisexual women and heterosexual women. Elsewhere in the survey it is discussed that much of the violence experienced by the bisexual women was at the hands of men, not women...

There were no statistically significant differences between the prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking when comparing lesbian women and heterosexual women... [bolded emphasis added]

Lifetime Prevalence of Rape, Physical Violence, and/or Stalking Victimization by an Intimate Partner by Sexual Orientation

  • Physical violence: Lesbian 40.4%, Bisexual 56.9%, Heterosexual 32.3%

  • Rape, physical violence, and/or stalking: Lesbian 43.8%, Bisexual 61.1%, Heterosexual 35.0%

  • With IPV-related impact: Lesbian 33.5%, Bisexual 57.4%, Heterosexual 28.2%

That being said, I don't agree with the comment you were responding to. I am against radical feminism and I don't think children need to be raised in a matriarchy...

edit: *statistically

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wasn't there an old study that had deliberately included lesbians being abused by former male partners as "lesbian domestic violence" to intentionally skew the data? Maybe that's what he's talking about.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting, I'll look into it.