LGB ErasureLGB ALLIANCE POLAND IS BANNED FROM TWITTER!!!

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[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

"This sub enforces language and topic censoring. Mods will remove opposing viewpoints, regardless of where on the Pyramid Of Debate they may be."

-- Literally from the rules of this group.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Mods from LGBDropTheT can ban anyone on Twitter? That's something new.

Saidit is requiring such moding, otherwise sub will be shown in /s/all

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Oh dear and then people might disagree with you. And instead you'd rather just silence them.

You don't see the exact 1:1 relationship with what just happened to S+? Seriously?

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How exactly enforced rules of Saidit to its subsiadits - are related to S+ being silenced on every platform? Without such rules sub is counted as debate sub, sub is shown in /s/all and you can't ban anyone, even for clear trolling and homophobia.

There is debate sub if you are interested, /s/GCdebatesQT.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Chipit we have these rules to prevent huge influxes of trolls.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As did reddit. That's why superstraight was banned!

How do people not see this

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit and Saidit have plenty of subs that are also this way and are not banned, so it's just false to say that that was the reason r/superstraight was banned.

[–]julesburm1891 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you can’t tell the difference between:

  1. LGB people having one small group on an obscure platform where we can exclude homophobes and trolls while also not banning other groups that disagree with us

AND

  1. Multinational companies and the world’s largest social media platforms banning anyone who says anything they don’t personally agree with

Then, I really don’t know what to tell you.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both of them are banning anyone they don't agree with. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotSoDifferent

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Quit being daft with your disingenuous concern trolling. There is an obvious difference between a community forming rules to maintain a particular purpose and a community not being OK with any other community existing anywhere that has contrary views points to its own. No one in here is advocating for trans-identifying people to not have forums and spaces where they can discuss their issues among each other or any shared LGBT spaces. We just want to be able to have our own communities (and orgs representing our interests$ too including the communities that were forcibly taken from us via hostile takeover (e.g., r/actuallesbians) and/or outright banning (r/truelesbians). For example, when this place was on Reddit, its mission did not include getting the stalker/shadow subreddit (r/LGBTDroptheTransphobes or whatever) banned, even though that subreddit was dedicated to getting us banned.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[M] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We're required to have a statement in our sidebar if we choose to NOT allow debate, and remove ourselves from s/all.

SaidIt, at it's core, is meant to be a free speech platform where all ideas and discussions can engage with one another. Pyramid of Debate and all. Admins realize that may not always be desirable, especially if or when a group wants to have a specific focus or goal in mind, and created that rule as a compromise.

One of our goals is to NOT debate TRAs anymore, been there, done that, and look where it got us and our organizations - completely overrun and LGB are blacklisted from them. They do not come to us in good faith, therefore, we do not allow them in our space. They can and do have their own spaces, and they can enjoy them and frolick freely in their misogyny and homophobia.

They don't seem to understand "leave us the fuck alone", so fine, when they harass us, they can be ousted from this sub and have no one to blame but themselves.

Although lets be real, they're still gonna REEEEE that we're transphobic regardless.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you not get that exact same justification was used to ban you from Reddit in the first place? My head just wants to explode. How do all of you not see this

They do not come to us in good faith, therefore, we do not allow them in our space. They can and do have their own spaces,

This could have been spoken in South Africa circa 1980.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TRAs ban us from their subs on-sight, and sometimes pre-emptively just due to our participation in other subs. Reddit banned us from their entire website ... we're no longer allowed to be on their platform with our views, which they call "hate speech" and "bad faith claims of discrimination".

That's not the same thing as staying in our own sub, nurturing an LGB-supportive environment, and defending it from false flags and attacks. To them, we're harassing and hateful just by existing, so we must be eradicated.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's all despite the fact that there is very clearly a large contingent of Reddit that agrees with our views, and despite the fact that there's material evidence of a problem of celebrating rapey behavior and outright death threats within the trans community that TRAs would love to deny exists. Reddit isn't doing content moderation to keep debate civil, it's outright just trying to shut people up. Same goes with Twitter. Women have been banned for saying females menstruate. Freedom of speech isn't a free pass for any and all speech. It would be perfectly reasonable be banned for going onto a local group for african people just to sling racial slurs at them. Moderation isn't an all-or-nothing thing. That's why moderation is hard, and why both good and bad moderation do exist.