LGB ErasureLGB ALLIANCE POLAND IS BANNED FROM TWITTER!!!

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[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

what. the. hell ........................... Honestly, this TRA sh*t is seriously scary, how much power they have and we literally only just want to be left alone... But meanwhile they claim they're the "most oppressed"?!?!?

[–]BEB 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

There's a lot of power and money behind gender ideology - the question is WHY?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Profits for Big Pharma, destruction of western civilisation and everybody confused and demoralised. All so there will be a powerful one world government

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

All so there will be a powerful one world government

One that is not democratized but ruled by a few elites. Personally I think a Star Trek -style one-government Earth might be kinda cool, but that's really another question entirely lol.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It might sound cool, but our cultures are too vastly different to function under one government. So to preserve these cultures, we have different countries.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we might have to agree to disagre on this one for now, lol.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So that they can gain more money and yield more power. They probably want power purely for power's sake. :(

[–]BEB 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I think it's something way more sinister than that.

Whoever is behind this is trying to get us to deny some of the most fundamental things about ourselves, our immutable biological sex and our sexuality.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Look, I know it may feel that way from our perspective as victims of the situation, but you are making it sound like there are some evil masterminds behind this aiming specifically at LGB people. There are not; we are simply one of the most vulnerable minorities because numerically, there are so few of us in every single society we live in-- because that's part of the nature of being gay. If there were a whole lot more of us, the human species could not easily populate the planet.

The people in the positions of highest power in the transgender ideology-- a cultlike movement-- are:

  • narcissistic

  • seeking to deny some aspects of reality

  • censor everyone who disagrees with them

  • trying to consolidate money and power

There's not some secret to it, it's the oldest human story in the book...

edit: I do acknowledge, transgender ideology was invented from a homophobic idea: that a gay man is a "woman in a man's body" and a gay woman is a "man in a woman's body." But that still doesn't mean there's a conspiracy theory going on; it's just the same old story: humans competing to consolidate power by taking it from vulnerable groups.

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have actually done quite a bit of research on gender ideology and don't think it's aimed specifically at LGB people; if anything it's aimed at women.

In many places, from the American Cancer Society to the ACLU, women are no longer called "women" instead women are chest feeders, menstruators, people with cervixes, non-prostate owners, non-men - women are being erased. LGB could just be collateral damage.

And the people funding gender ideology are very wealthy and hardly fringe: the Pritzkers (one is governor of Illinois), George Soros, Warren Buffett, the Strykers, Tim Gill...

Jon Stryker and Tim Gill, both gay men, actually claim to be backing gender ideology for the benefit of LGB. There's another gay man involved, though he might be deceased and it could be his estate that it is involved.

Here is a good blog to follow the money behind gender ideology

The11thHourBlog.com

Anyway, it is way more sinister than it appears, and I do think the end goal is something horrible and, at the moment, possibly unfathomable.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I have actually done quite a bit of research on gender ideology

I have, too. I think it's safe to say that quite a few people on this sub have.

and don't think it's aimed specifically at LGB people; if anything it's aimed at women

What is the evidence for this? Many more women are affected by it than LGB people because there are more women on planet Earth than there are LGB people, of course; women are about 50% and LGB are maybe 4%. But the whole thing was invented because of LGB people.

The entire (pseudoscientific) concept of "transitioning sex" began because people believed that same-sex-attracted men were "women in men's bodies" and same-sex-attracted women were "men in women's bodies." The proposed "cure" to this fabricated "problem" was to make the same-sex-attracted men's bodies "more like a woman's body, since they are women in their brains/souls." The concept of "gender identity" is indeed this particular homophobic belief: the idea that someone has an internal "brain or soul of a woman, when they are a man," etc.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that transgender ideology has massively harmed women, but it started as an attempt to eradicate LGB individuals. That was the goal. Now it is also causing horrible harm to women, people on the spectrum, children, and other vulnerable groups.

Anyway, it is way more sinister than it appears, and I do think the end goal is something horrible and, at the moment, possibly unfathomable.

I do think there are disturbing potential consequences of transgender ideology that we haven't even considered yet; only time will tell. However, I try to respectfully push back on the idea that there are secret reasons or something behind trans ideology because it kinda makes it sound like a conspiracy theory-- when really, the main motives are pretty plain. Consolidation of money, and of power. (And fetishes for some people, I guess. But mostly just a lot of power tripping.)

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My job for years was to pay attention to what was happening globally and try to connect the dots.

Whenever I hear "conspiracy theory" it makes me want to dig deeper, because a lot of what were called "conspiracy theories" were called that as a calculated attempt to stop further investigation of events or issues that those called "conspiracy theorists" were actually at least a tiny bit correct about.

The lies about the Gulf of Tonkin and Iraq's phantom WMDs spring immediately to mind. The public were sold big lies, lies that in these cases led to the deaths, maimings and displacement of millions of innocent people, and multiple countries torn apart, with the effects still being felt today.

Transgenders make up a tiny percentage of the population, and even the money to be made off of the bodies of people sucked into the fad might be a market of a few hundred billion $. That's not enough motive to reorder the law and language, to rewrite the basic tenents of biology, to stifle free speech and criminalize dissent ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Nah, in my opinion, something else is up. And it's one of the most sinister things I've ever witnessed, and I've witnessed a lot.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whenever I hear "conspiracy theory" it makes me want to dig deeper, because a lot of what were called "conspiracy theories" were called that as a calculated attempt to stop further investigation of events or issues that those called "conspiracy theorists" were actually at least a tiny bit correct about

Look, I won't deny that there are things like that sometimes, e.g. the Iran-Contra affair.

However-- please let's not paint our DropTheT movement as a conspiracy theory, it is not one. People already don't take us as seriously because we are on Saidit where there are a bunch of subsaidits for conspiracy theories.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the magnitude of harm done by transgender ideology.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do get where you're coming from.

I don't think DroptheT comes across at all as a conspiracy theory: it's primarily a very sane response to legislation being passed globally under the banner of LGBT+ rights that not only harms gays, but also confused children, women, parents' rights, biology and free speech.

I actually think that the existence of DroptheT, and the impeccably sane posters here, give real credibility to the notion that gender ideology itself, with its crazy suspensions of logic and rationality, is the real conspiracy theory.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's kind of hard for me to believe that selling hormones and puberty blockers is really THAT profitable that it's worth all this trouble. Trans people who actually take hormones and put some effort into transitioning still make up a really tiny percentage of the population. The idea that Big Pharma companies are putting all this effort into putting out propaganda and maintaining this cult like political movement and banning/censoring all detractors, just for the sake of selling drugs to >1% of the population is actually kind of ridiculous to me.

I agree with BEB, to me it seems like there's something more insidious going on here. Why are all these other wealthy and powerful people pouring so much money into backing pro-trans propaganda? Like the big tech companies like Twitter and Facebook that are helping silence any dissenting voices, and all the liberal celebs and lawmakers who are backing it what's their motive? What do they gain from this? And when you consider all the money being poured into propping up gender ideology, is the money they're making from selling drugs even a net profit for "them" in the end? Like idk man, this kind of seems a bit bigger than just plain old greed.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I needed to hear this, sometimes I do start to get caught up in the insanity of it all and start to feel very close to being a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist. It is just a classic human story and we're some of the most vulnerable groups feeling the ramifications of these cult-like scam artists.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem, and yeah pretty much. There is a massive amount of gaslighting going on, and the denial of reality-- that same-sex attraction doesn't exist, and that biological sex doesn't even exist! It's enough to make you wonder if you're crazy. But we are not, we're just living in some tumultuous times. Hope you're doing well. :)

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The answer is obvious... money. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the simple fact of living in a world where a few billionaires are able to further consolidate their wealth-- and in the US, they are even lauded for doing so.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But meanwhile they claim they're the "most oppressed"?!?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But meanwhile they claim they're the "most oppressed"?!?!?

They also claim they are "inclusive" while excluding biological men and women. Tyrants with billions $$$$ behind them.

[–]julesburm1891 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

If you can have everyone who disagrees with you or questions your narrative silenced, you aren’t oppressed.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

"This sub enforces language and topic censoring. Mods will remove opposing viewpoints, regardless of where on the Pyramid Of Debate they may be."

-- Literally from the rules of this group.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Mods from LGBDropTheT can ban anyone on Twitter? That's something new.

Saidit is requiring such moding, otherwise sub will be shown in /s/all

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Oh dear and then people might disagree with you. And instead you'd rather just silence them.

You don't see the exact 1:1 relationship with what just happened to S+? Seriously?

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How exactly enforced rules of Saidit to its subsiadits - are related to S+ being silenced on every platform? Without such rules sub is counted as debate sub, sub is shown in /s/all and you can't ban anyone, even for clear trolling and homophobia.

There is debate sub if you are interested, /s/GCdebatesQT.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Chipit we have these rules to prevent huge influxes of trolls.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As did reddit. That's why superstraight was banned!

How do people not see this

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit and Saidit have plenty of subs that are also this way and are not banned, so it's just false to say that that was the reason r/superstraight was banned.

[–]julesburm1891 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you can’t tell the difference between:

  1. LGB people having one small group on an obscure platform where we can exclude homophobes and trolls while also not banning other groups that disagree with us

AND

  1. Multinational companies and the world’s largest social media platforms banning anyone who says anything they don’t personally agree with

Then, I really don’t know what to tell you.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both of them are banning anyone they don't agree with. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotSoDifferent

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Quit being daft with your disingenuous concern trolling. There is an obvious difference between a community forming rules to maintain a particular purpose and a community not being OK with any other community existing anywhere that has contrary views points to its own. No one in here is advocating for trans-identifying people to not have forums and spaces where they can discuss their issues among each other or any shared LGBT spaces. We just want to be able to have our own communities (and orgs representing our interests$ too including the communities that were forcibly taken from us via hostile takeover (e.g., r/actuallesbians) and/or outright banning (r/truelesbians). For example, when this place was on Reddit, its mission did not include getting the stalker/shadow subreddit (r/LGBTDroptheTransphobes or whatever) banned, even though that subreddit was dedicated to getting us banned.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[M] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We're required to have a statement in our sidebar if we choose to NOT allow debate, and remove ourselves from s/all.

SaidIt, at it's core, is meant to be a free speech platform where all ideas and discussions can engage with one another. Pyramid of Debate and all. Admins realize that may not always be desirable, especially if or when a group wants to have a specific focus or goal in mind, and created that rule as a compromise.

One of our goals is to NOT debate TRAs anymore, been there, done that, and look where it got us and our organizations - completely overrun and LGB are blacklisted from them. They do not come to us in good faith, therefore, we do not allow them in our space. They can and do have their own spaces, and they can enjoy them and frolick freely in their misogyny and homophobia.

They don't seem to understand "leave us the fuck alone", so fine, when they harass us, they can be ousted from this sub and have no one to blame but themselves.

Although lets be real, they're still gonna REEEEE that we're transphobic regardless.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you not get that exact same justification was used to ban you from Reddit in the first place? My head just wants to explode. How do all of you not see this

They do not come to us in good faith, therefore, we do not allow them in our space. They can and do have their own spaces,

This could have been spoken in South Africa circa 1980.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TRAs ban us from their subs on-sight, and sometimes pre-emptively just due to our participation in other subs. Reddit banned us from their entire website ... we're no longer allowed to be on their platform with our views, which they call "hate speech" and "bad faith claims of discrimination".

That's not the same thing as staying in our own sub, nurturing an LGB-supportive environment, and defending it from false flags and attacks. To them, we're harassing and hateful just by existing, so we must be eradicated.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's all despite the fact that there is very clearly a large contingent of Reddit that agrees with our views, and despite the fact that there's material evidence of a problem of celebrating rapey behavior and outright death threats within the trans community that TRAs would love to deny exists. Reddit isn't doing content moderation to keep debate civil, it's outright just trying to shut people up. Same goes with Twitter. Women have been banned for saying females menstruate. Freedom of speech isn't a free pass for any and all speech. It would be perfectly reasonable be banned for going onto a local group for african people just to sling racial slurs at them. Moderation isn't an all-or-nothing thing. That's why moderation is hard, and why both good and bad moderation do exist.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Poland is a country that very much needs LGB activists fighting for their rights. How dare Twitter ban them.

[–]PassionateIntensity 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Considering how bad they have it in Poland for the US to ban them is just... well I'm speechless.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree. That is beyond heartbreaking, and sickening. The US is so privileged and lacking in perspective about the massive prevalence of suffering in other parts of the world.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US has lost the right to police the world. Well, never had that right to begin with. We need to move away from American digital platforms because none of the alt tech sites are American.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I hear that the Polish government wants to crack down on social media censorship. Let’s hope they successfully do that so that LGB Alliance Poland gets their Twitter back.

[–]hermiona52 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Let's hope they won't do so, because they will censor everyone they see as enemies - us LGB people too. Don't forget that our current President a few months ago said we are not people, but an ideology. They hate gay people.

Just because I am cautious of the T part of our acronym, doesn't mean we should start supporting right-wing autocrats.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I said that I heard that the Polish government wants to ban social media companies from banning people off their platforms.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think you misunderstood. He said the Polish gov. is ANTI-social media censorship

[–]hermiona52 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, he said that it's our government's idea and he hope they are successful. And I believe it's like cutting your whole arm off just because your thumb got infection.

I am sure our government wouldn't care even the slightest about LGB Alliance's censorship on Twitter, they would just use it only to censor (by fines) any free media that dare to criticize them. They tried to add more taxes for our independent media just a few weeks ago, so I am not making this up. They are loosing support so they need to crush freedom of press and media before next elections in 3 years.

And I want to make it clear. I'm against giving so much censorship power to private corporations like Facebook or Twitter, since whether we like it or no, they heavily shape our societies - and can change the outcomes of elections. This needs to be controlled. But our government are autocrats - they won't use it for free speech.

Gay couple was stabbed in the back by knife just two days ago in Warsaw. This would never be covered by 'free' media if PIS (Law and Justice) could make it happen.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you're expecting Poland to censor platforms they deem censorious? Not trolling, genuinely wanna know more.

[–]hermiona52 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They will censor any media that opposes their ideology (right-wing, nationalism, Catholicism, homophobia, etc.) and reveals their mistakes, corruption and such. So they would shrug at hearing that "Koalicja LGB" was banned on Twitter. Even more likely, they probably eat popcorn watching us LGBT people infighting.

Some media (mostly liberal) are deep in TQ stuff, yes, but they are the only one criticizing PIS and it's politicians on valid issues like corruption. All right-wing media are in the pocket of PIS' politicians and their supporters and it's not even a conspiracy theory, because tracing those connections is easy and it's known by the public.

Also small local press media around Poland were recently bought by Polish state oil corporation - Orlen - so there's even a bigger pressure on independent media.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck. Poland needed this more than almost any country.

[–]Ryhon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They even had one? I wasn't following twitter for a long time now but I messaged LGBA one day asking if I can help while being in Poland