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[–]reluctant_commenter 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This seems like a great step! So it looks like it's free?

Does anyone have interest in going to this? My biggest worry about attending such events would be that certain video-conferencing softwares (looking at you, Zoom...) have notoriously bad security, and I'd be worried about leaving behind any personal info that might lead to doxxing.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Has any attended an LGB Alliance event yet?

I'm really curious on how it's like and what they do.

Was hoping they'd have more gender skeptic resources. It's hard for me to find gender critical/skeptic resources for bisexuals. Most are plagued with gender identity politics.

For those who are part of the L and G, are you able to find many gender critical resources or not really either?

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have not but am also curious!

About resources-- do you mean like info, graphs, that sort of thing? I've been meaning for a while to put together a sort of organized document with some; we actually have quite a lot collected on this sub already, it's just a matter of organizing it and making it accessible.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, more stats or just articles in general acknowledging that bisexuality means having attraction to TWO sexes and talking about stats such as bisexuals having a high suicide rate, are typically tge poorest amongst homosexuals/heterosexuals, most mental issues, etc and how to combat it would be a nice addition too...

Here are some observations I found:

  • What does the bisexual flag represent? - this is where I analyzed the wording of the flag from different regions and how the meaning changes between the languages. I had one for both the L & G too...but the post got removed. :( Idk why. Might've been my formatting?

  • Statistics - 8 things you didn't know about the bisexual community - the statistics from 2014, recognizes WHO bisexuals are, but in the recent 2016+ articles from that website, it changes the wording to bisexual+, queer, pansexuals, etc--which basically erases the original meaning that Michael Page(creator of the bisexual flag) had described bisexuality.

  • What is bisexual+? The 'evolution' of the word bisexual - there's two articles listed on my post, but pretty much explains how the term bisexuality change throughout the years and how the TQ+ ruined it(written through the perspective of TQ+).

I'm just upset that there's HARDLY any gender skeptic bisexual resources out there UNLESS they're EXTREMELY left leaning, like the Ministry of Bisexual Propaganda or they're radical feminist female exclusive bisexual female(radfem Febfem). I don't want all these EXTRA politics connected to it. I just want to see regular articles talking ABOUT bisexual issues without being told "vote democrat" or "become a radical feminist". Like, good for those who are, but that's not for me.(Oh, and most are VERY American centric so...kinda...yeah).

I think the Ls have been doing a really good job of keeping it together and getting resources and fighting back. Even if they disagree on some things, they can at least agree that TRAs are messing shit uo for them.

With the B, they're getting converted to use political terms like "queer" and "pansexual" to basically support the TRAs and to be included in the LGBTQ+ group ---which is more of a corporation than anything. I have more videos and sources etc on that...from what I heard, they NEEDED the T, because "gay rights" is getting better, so they had to find ANOTHER reason to "fight" and keep their company afloat, so they added the T, and now they want to add other "sexualities" and "gender identities" for big bucks.

Lol sorry I am going off on a tangent but I am rather passionate about this particular topic.

Edit: formatting

[–]artetolife 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I want to but the last time they were holding actual events they were all up in Scotland (too far for me) or speaking at very women-specific events. You can see some of them on their youtube channel.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It would be nice to hear men's issues too to be honest.

I grew up with brothers and male cousins (I was the only girl amongst the boys), and I noticed that they had some issues too that they struggled with.

My younger brother is straight but gender non-conforming with his fashion choices. Many assume he's gay(and he gets a little upset, but I tell him I get the same shit but in reverse and who cares what they think). He tries to act more manly to make up for it and chases girls all day...

My eldest brother is more reserved and quiet, gets told to be more "loud" and how to "act like a man". My younger brother is "scared" that my eldest brother might be 'gay' because he had a dream about him kissing another man like LOL dude, who cares if he is or isn't?? That's his life.

My second oldest brother "mimicks" the stereotypes od what he thinks a man should be like. He won't hold my mothers purse because that's not "manly". He won't buy baby stuff for my son(deapite him asking what my son needs, I tell him diapers and what size, and he fives me money instead), he claims he sucks at complimenting woman(because he doesn't want to show his emotions). He doesn't know how to handle difficult situations and tries to "joke" his way outta it to escape.

It's the way our parents raised us made us...different. But going back on the men's issues---they get told to "man up" while growing up and "what men should be like", so while we're only like 5-6y.o my dad let us watch rated R films and play rated M games because "we need to grow up" and they boys need to "man up" despite being children...my mom was against it though and babied my brothers to wherw they didn't have to do much, and I was stuck doing house work because no one else wanted to. My parents made them do "man stuff" by mowing the lawn and clearing out the yard when all they wanted to do was play video games lol. My father also REFUSED to change diapers when we were little(according to my mother, but she is not always a reliable narrator, though I don't dount this based on how he is) and said that's what women do.

But anyways...yes..I want to hear about men's issues especially now that I have a son because I don't want to fuck up. If he ends up being bisexual/homosexual/heterosexual, then I am cool with that. I just want to know what I can do differently so he doesn't end in the toxic cycle my brothers were...

I think it would honestly be best if thr little one's dad handled the male role, since, well, he's a man but ehhh my partner and I have much to discuss and he has similar/WORSE baggage than me and my brothers based on how he grew up and thinks he needs to do certain things as a man...But he's slowly changing and opening up his eyes that it's not all like what he thought it was.

Lol damn I am rambling a lot haha. Again, these particular topics I am rather passionate about!

[–]artetolife 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a tricky one. My family never pushed any kind of gender stuff on us yet my older brother still ended up in that cycle and spent his whole adolescence trying to become cliche macho fictional characters like James Bond and Rambo because he apparently thought that was how men were supposed to be, and that's what women would want... He chilled out after he got married though and doesn't care if people think he does "womanly" things.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, it is tricky. It's crazy how your brother was in that cycle despite your parents not pushing gendered stuff but good that your brother mellowed out after getting married!

My current partner doesn't mind too much either doing "womanly" things. He'll buy me female products, or hold his mom's purse and joke around dancing and "twerking" on me to make me laugh lol. He doesn't care if that makes him seem "feminine". It's just other stuff he gets really weird about such as "men have to take out the trash" and "No men should be a stay at home dad" and I'm like...okay? My dad was a stay-at-home because he retired(he was MUCH older than my mom). Then he told me "that's different though" lol. Taking out the trash isn't a "gendered" think either. He loosened up about the trash thing when I told that's silly and that I had to take out my OWN trash when I was single so it's not a big deal haha.

[–]artetolife 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That mentality can manifest is some very strange ways lol. I've met guys who are perfectly reasonable but they wont push a shopping trolley at the supermarket, dumb things like that.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 6 insightful - 9 fun6 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 9 fun -  (32 children)

Lol... they're composed mainly of lesbians because most of the people running it are Radical Feminists. Good luck getting men, and bisexual women, interested.

I thought the radfem narrative was that men are all evil and that they need to step down and let BRAVE WOMYN speak. But oh no... looks like lesbian radfems can't single handedly get rid of the T. Pretty ironic.

Simply put, if they want other people's support they need to drop the radfem shit, and better yet, start DOING things and making plans that matter. So far I have seen "LGB alliance" achieve NOTHING. All they do is beg for money & promote themselves. It's really no wonder they're lacking people interested, and myself included.

They're not getting my time nor my money unless they directly stand up for a cause that benefits the things I care about. And while they have radfem backing? I want nothing to do with it. Even if they are just affiliated I refuse to spend any money or emotional support on a sexist, anti mentally ill, intersex-discriminating extremist ideology.

[–]artetolife 52 insightful - 15 fun52 insightful - 14 fun53 insightful - 15 fun -  (1 child)

You are so annoying.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

🎶 When you don't have anything productive to say 🎶

🎶 And you're mad because that one guy doesn't like being gay 🎶

🎶 It's so easy, why bother to use fact? 🎶

🎶 When you could just type a low effort personal attack! 🎶

[–][deleted] 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They've had my support since I first came across them.

Sincerely, A Gay Male.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

So? Doesn't make you not an idiot.

Plenty of gay men support stupid causes, just look at Stonewall and GLAAD. You want a fuckin' medal for supporting a quack radfem money sink? Get in line, approximately 95% of gay males did something stupid long before you did.

[–]reluctant_commenter 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Lol... they're composed mainly of lesbians because most of the people running it are Radical Feminists

Proof? I asked you about this when you claimed it in another comment, and you didn't respond.

Most lesbians are not radfem. And we have plenty of reason to give a shit about gender ideology, thanks.

But oh no... looks like lesbian radfems can't single handedly get rid of the T. Pretty ironic.

You are building a straw man. Come on, let's see the evidence. I'm happy to change my mind IF there is any.

[–]artetolife 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The major figures aren't radfems at all, they are transmedicalists. So idk what he's on about. Granted, there isn't much momentum but they're all quite old people doing this in their spare time with not much funding, so what do you expect?

[–]reluctant_commenter 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they are transmedicalists

Good point, another reason to suggest that they are NOT radfem.

Granted, there isn't much momentum but they're all quite old people doing this in their spare time with not much funding, so what do you expect?

Exactly. This is a volunteer group up against well-endowed institutions with way more resources and connections. Gotta give it some time.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Hey, I don't mean to get off topic but what is a 'transmedicalist' I see that word pop up occassionally, but I don't know what that is...are they pro transitioning or anti transitioning?

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Roughly speaking, it is someone who believes that trans people exist and are that way because they have a medical condition, gender dysphoria.

I think many/most believe it is solved with medical transition, but not all-- the "medical" part actually comes from the belief that being transgender is a medical condition.

This is in opposition to radfems' view, as I understand it, because I think radfems tend to believe that transgenderism doesn't exist and they are anti-trans in general.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh I see lol. I am neither a radfem nor transmedicalist. I was a former trans female so I see things a bit differently...

I don't really agree with either of them and how they go about certain things.

Edit: I forgot to say thank you for letting me know! I saw transmedicalist posted everywhere and had no clue what that was.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw no worries! I'm not radfem and I'm not sure how I feel about transmedicalism, either.

edit: Also super glad you were able to detrans/desist and make your way here :)

[–]lavender_menace 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Transmedicalists believe that to be trans you need to have dysphoria, take cross-sex hormones and be interested in bottom surgery. Basically they are old-school transsexuals. For that they are hated by the Transcult and are being called derogatory slurs: truscum and transmed.

[–]SickOfThisShitNow 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am cautiously hopeful about the LGB Alliance. We really do need an organisation that specifically focuses on current issues from an LGB angle and that isn't a radfem organisation. (I'm not opposed to working with radfems where practically advantageous, I don't think all radfems are evil, lesbian and bi women who are radfems should be able to be part of any LGB organisation but I don't want an organisation that is led by a particular agenda apart from the shared interests of LGB people).

Most of the people involved in running the LGB Alliance seem to have a background in working for or with Stonewall (before it betrayed us) or, in some cases, the Gay Liberation Front and things like that give me some assurance that they are interested in gay rights, and the combined interests of LGB people, rather than being radfems/political lesbians.

I think you will always get some radfems lurking around, trying to use it to their advantage but, fortunately, the presence and involvement of gay men (as well as being very welcome in itself) is to many political (fake) lesbian feminists like garlic is to a vampire - It helps to ward them off!

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Literally go on their website, it has a big blurb about how the people running it are "lesbian veteran feminists" which is code for Radfem. Look at their Twitter and see that they post radfem talking points & most of their supporters are radfems.

It's like asking me for "sources" that Trump supporters are right leaning or that TRAs are sexist, like, go look lol? It's not a secret.

Evidence that lesbian radfems can't single handedly get rid of the T: The trans community is still going strong. LGBT orgs are unaffected. Children are still being abused with experimental "treatment." Men are still identifying as women no matter how many gendercritical users type angry posts about them doing so. The evidence is all there.

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

about how the people running it are "lesbian veteran feminists" which is code for Radfem

I am lesbian and have feminist views, but am not radfem. What other words should I use to describe myself?

It's like asking me for "sources" that Trump supporters are right leaning or that TRAs are sexist

No, it's not like that. The construct of sexism is not an ideology with an organized set of principles and a clear movement beginning. Besides, radfems I've seen are usually delighted to proclaim that they are radfem, why would they hide it?

Evidence that lesbian radfems can't single handedly get rid of the T: The trans community is still going strong.

Most LGB Alliance chapters were started very recently and do not have remotely the same amount of money, or connections to influential media and politicians, that the trans medical lobby does. We can't take down TRAs in a day, dude. Believe me, I want to see progress too-- but unfortunately this is going to take some time.

Evidence counter to your claim: as u/artetolife pointed out, the people in LGB Alliance hold transmedicalist views, and are actually supportive of trans people, just not trans people who stifle and harm L/G/B people. Whereas, unless I am mistaken, the radfem view is universally anti-trans and many even deny that gender dysphoria is a real thing.

edit: Source-- https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/the-lgb-alliance-is-not-transphobic-we-are-just-trying-to-protect-ourselves-39727908.html

this article as an example. They focus on L/G/B issues and even are sympathetic to trans people's need to have a space for their own issues. They are not just talking about women's issues, which is what a radfem perspective would have been.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The key term here is "veteran feminist." Usually, when someone claims to be an "old style feminist" or "veteran" feminist or something along those lines, it basically means radical feminist. I don't think it'd look as suspicious if you just labeled yourself a regular feminist.

No, it's not like that. The construct of sexism is not an ideology with an organized set of principles and a clear movement beginning. Besides, radfems I've seen are usually delighted to proclaim that they are radfem, why would they hide it?

Because LGB alliance is seeking funding and they know they're not going to gain much support, especially from men (~50% of the supposed "LGB") if they outright say "hey yeah we're a subset of extremist feminist that's been discredited by left and right wing people alike, and is known for hating men and being female seperatist/supremacists".

Most LGB Alliance chapters were started very recently and do not have remotely the same amount of money, or connections to influential media and politicians, that the trans medical lobby does. We can't take down TRAs in a day, dude. Believe me, I want to see progress too-- but unfortunately this is going to take some time.

Why do they need "chapters" in the first place? Why did they not come up with any action plans BEFORE making these "chapters"? If this isn't a hidden agenda, then it's gotta be some of the worst management I've ever seen. I struggle to believe that, after all the effort they've been through promoting themselves, they'd be that stupid. So from where I'm standing, the most likely conclusion is that they're actively not trying, and they don't actually have a pro-active goal, and the whole organization is basically just a big gloating fest.

Evidence counter to your claim: as u/artetolife pointed out, the people in LGB Alliance hold transmedicalist views, and are actually supportive of trans people, just not trans people who stifle and harm L/G/B people. Whereas, unless I am mistaken, the radfem view is universally anti-trans and many even deny that gender dysphoria is a real thing.

So then, they're not actually going to "drop the T" and are, in fact, holding anti-intersex, extremely sexist and dangerous psuedoscientific views? Not to mention, "Homophobic" views (if you believe in such thing) or at least anti-gay considering that "transmedicalists" believe that homosexuality comes from "the wrong sexed brain" or the opposite sex's hormones and means you're actually trans. Okay, that's even more reason not to support them. Transmedicalists are worse than "regular" TRAs. They are dangerous.

They are not just talking about women's issues, which is what a radfem perspective would have been.

So why is it then majority focused on lesbians & they are struggling to get males involved? Honestly, it just looks like it was a radfem stance, that it started out as lesbian (radical feminist) focused, but then they realized oops it won't look good if we claim to be "LGB" but have very few guys involved, and/or they realized they can't simply "drop the T" without gay and bisexual men involved.

You're not convincing me of their legitimacy, you're just giving me more reason to oppose them. The more I read up on them, the more it looks like a shitshow. And if they really are "transmedicalist", well, then they're actively harming at least one group I belong to, which I do not tolerate at all.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Usually, when someone claims to be an "old style feminist" or "veteran" feminist or something along those lines, it basically means radical feminist.

Hmm, okay, interesting. I am not really familiar with the language typically used in those groups, so maybe that is a signal, but I would have to do more reading.

Because LGB alliance is seeking funding and they know they're not going to gain much support, especially from men (~50% of the supposed "LGB") if they outright say "hey yeah we're a subset of extremist feminist that's been discredited by left and right wing people alike, and is known for hating men and being female seperatist/supremacists".

That is one possible explanation, and a tenuous likelihood at that given their pro-transmed stance.

If this isn't a hidden agenda, then it's gotta be some of the worst management I've ever seen.

As the saying goes: "Don't misattribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity," or whatever. I have been on a couple of club/organization committees before and they can be remarkably disorganized and unproductive. I still think the lack of action is more attributable to the fact that they are just beginning, but if anything, I would not be surprised if they are disorganized. No other group has yet stepped up to challenge the transgender ideology in any sort of formal way, they have a lot to do and again, seem to be a group of volunteers who probably have jobs/lives outside of this.

Okay, that's even more reason not to support them. Transmedicalists are worse than "regular" TRAs. They are dangerous.

You make a fair point. It may indeed be the case that the entire concept of "transgender" is mistaken and/or unhelpful to people's struggles with gender dysphoria, and thus, harmful to homosexuals/bisexuals (as well as women, children, mentally ill people, etc.). BUT-- these people still aren't radfems, is what I'm saying. Blanket dismissing them as "crazy radfems," which is what you did, isn't helpful. If they suck, then let's be clear about why. I think the odds of LGB Alliance eventually kowtowing to transgender ideology are WAY higher than them turning out to be a radfem organization.

edit: a word

[–]HarlanRogers 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I don't think radfems are ultimately our enemy. They might be misguided on their perspective toward men, but the LGB Alliance shares a common goal in highlighting the fundamental discrepancies between LGB and T+. The LGB alliance is not inherently a feminist movement.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, that's not the narrative. Maybe it's time to start seeing feminists as people. There's a huge overlap between the members of s/gendercritical and this sub lol. Same when it was on reddit

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LOL, who says I don't see them as people? What a strawman.

Of course they're people, I never said they weren't, nor implied anything close. They are people, they're just not smart people.

There's a huge overlap between the members of s/gendercritical and this sub lol.

And that's why this sub & others has gone down the toilet and why the anti-trans "side" is now no better than TRAs. Same level of echo chambery bullshit thanks to radical feminists & sexist attention hungry gay guys who just want a place to brag. It's also why people like me keep trying to make true free speech communities regarding LGBT, but they never last because radfems & attention seekers colonize literally every space they can find and try to turn it to their agenda. My Discord for free speech & controversial LGBT opinions lasted less than about 2 hours before I had radfems come in, attempt to turn it into a radfem server (despite it being run by a male, they really don't practice what they preach lol?) and advertise their own radfem servers and concepts in it

It's really hard to keep staying pro-free speech with people like that about, really. Part of me just wants to make a place where radfems & whatever the fuck the gay male equivalent is, Gay MRAs I guess (M-R-gays?) are instantly disallowed and will be kicked, just so the rest of us can have a place to breathe for one fucking minute, but that'd technically go against free speech too I suppose.

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's also why people like me keep trying to make true free speech communities regarding LGBT, but they never last because radfems & attention seekers colonize literally every space they can find and try to turn it to their agenda.

But no one's censoring you, right? Like are your comments being removed? As far as I am aware, this sub at least is very good about letting people talk stuff out even if people have controversial opinions. It's just personal attacks (and truly off-topic stuff) that's up for removal. At least in my experience. Idk about Discord.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Automod censors me if I type a "forbidden word" on here; I also can't say much without being spammed in replies and PMs with useless spam comments. Mods also on this sub remove a shit ton of posts at will, the sub even says "This sub enforces topic censoring."

So yes, actually, I am being censored. There's a lot I simply can't talk about due to AutoMod, or the mods will remove because it doesn't fit the "LGB agenda"

Both on here and Reddit I've had stuff deleted for being too "out there" even if it was related to homosexuality & not a personal attack on anyone.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also can't say much without being spammed in replies and PMs with useless spam comments.

Well, that's just people sharing their opinions. You do tend to have a lot of discussion-provoking opinions, lol. Discussion gets people thinking, though!

Automod censors me if I type a "forbidden word"

Does it censor anything besides slurs?

or the mods will remove because it doesn't fit the "LGB agenda"

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. The only thing I could think of is that I know you believe that sexual orientation can be changed, and most people here would probably consider that a homophobic comment. But even on that topic, I've seen many of your comments go through. I had a post removed about transing children that I thought was on topic, though, so I get that there is some difference of judgment about what "relevance" is.

[–]Cicerosolo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If anyone can link me to the Australian one, particularly Melbourne, I'd support. I can even call myself queer.