LGB ErasureThe harmful impact of 'trans lesbians' is becoming apparent.

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Link just in case: https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/07/lesbian-teens-two-seven-times-many-babies-heterosexual-peers/

This article states the surprising fact that 'lesbians' (and 'gay men') have a pregnancy rate "two to seven times higher than their heterosexual peers." The author infers (without evidence) that this is because LGB sexualities are capable of change. To me, this screamed of FtM and MtF 'lesbians' and 'gay men' that aren't on hormones getting pregnant/impregnating their partner. This is probably the most blatant damage to the LGB argument I've seen in a looooong time and (imo) it's a direct result of the "TWAW" and "TMAM" arguments that allow biological men with normal testosterone levels and a penis to be "lesbians" and biological women with normal estrogen and a uterus/vagina to be "gay men."

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[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm appalled by the way this dishonest author writes about this topic. Sexuality throughout the teenage years is highly variable, and even more highly variable among the sub-population of most promiscuous people. It becomes more fixed with age, and numerous studies on teen-to-adult populations (longitudinal) have affirmed this. There's no "threat to" the fact it's a natural inclination anymore than your height changing over time is.

Examples of this include this paper and more recently this paper. Teenage years are exceptionally volatile in terms of promiscuity, sex, sexuality, identity in general. The author seeks to abuse this fact in order to undermine the fact sexuality is no more a choice than your height, and like height you grow into it as you mature.

Far more likely of an explanation beyond him pushing the antiquated Christian right propaganda of "hypersexual addiction", people finding out they're probably homosexual can experience a terrifying transition. This can include desperately seeking sexual affirmation by having sex with who they "should be" attracted to. I went through this, tons of gay men also went through this, and it's entirely driven by that same religious homophobia creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Edit: To further drive this point home, individuals who identify as entirely homosexual have the same level of sexuality stability as those who identify as entirely heterosexual. Even from teenage years. Bisexuals were the primary unstable group, and that can entirely account for this data. See here.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For sure. I've known my sexuality since I'm 14 (I'm 23 now), never had any doubts regarding my attraction towards women nor needed to "experiment first with guys or/and girls" to know for sure. Only have been with women because I only desire to be with women. Simple as that. What I feel now at 23 is exactly the same as when I was 14. 100% homosexual.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For my part I went through a transition phase of rejecting reality purely because of being raised in a highly homophobic and very abusive religion. But it's not like I have amnesia. I was never really attracted to women and kept trying to deny that fact.

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This article just reads as the usual "women are stupid and don't know what they want" faire.

I'm guessing but a lot of straight and bi women call themselves lesbians so this study could factor that in as well. I'd also say 2017 is a little too early for it to be related to the transbian garbage.

[–]zephyranthes 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, 2017 was when I quit my old leftie forum after they drank the "suck the girldick, transphobe" kool-aid. It was already in full swing.

[–]fuck_reddit[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a good point. I didn't catch that it was from 2017.

[–]emptiedriver 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Back in the early 2010s you could still talk about it, whereas now it's become decided which side is "right" and it's bigoted to say otherwise. But there were plenty of the younger generation already committed to the trans viewpoint, it just hadn't been quite so widely politically accepted.

[–]emptiedriver 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, it may not have spread to your circles but it had certainly become a full-on "thing" by then - Andraya Yearwood started winning races in April of that year which means that person was identifying and accepted as not just a girl but a legitimate member of a girl's track league for enough time longer for that to be unquestioned in CT. It has only recently been openly challenged.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yearwood has competed without hormones or puberty blockers, which, Vice Media writes, "could have contributed to an advantage". But Vice Media also states that schools requiring medical treatment for trans athletes would create a barrier to entry because of the costs of treatment.

Lol, that is just straight up idiocy. Without hormones, puberty blockers and surgery - it is just regular boy. So advantage is insane, boy's school normatives are higher than olympic women's records. That is just unfair.

"a barrier to entry"

This one is the most ridiculous.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

http://boysvswomen.com/#/

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good site, thanks.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was fighting/witnessing fighting with people daily about it in 2013/2014, they never changed their slogans or tactics just got worse. In 2013 I also saw it “irl” in a classroom. 2017 sounds ON time. Older lesbians than I report this going on years before it hit my awareness around 09/10, but in 12-16 it spread rapidly on social media.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's interesting, I wish there was something online keeping a timeline of this stuff.

I always thought it was contained to websites like tumblr around 2014 and progressively spread from there.

[–]a_blue_bird 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Could it be that being lesbian or gay is not quite as absolute or fixed as gender theorists want us to believe?

Someone should tell this guy that the gender theorists claim no such thing, and are actually on the same page as him.

One reason why I don't take such data very seriously is that at that age many people don't know what their sexuality is. Many L&Gs probably ended up in the ''straight'' category. And how many non-LG's are identifying as LG's at that age? Since the number of LG's is very small, it is easy for a small number of misidentified people to distort the data. Forcing a 9th grader to choose a sexulity could very well be a significant factor in obtaining bizarre data.

First, we must ask what’s going in the emotional lives of these individuals that has them behaving in such a hyper-sexualized manner? What emptiness are they seeking to fill?

Also a possibility, as sexuality and gender labels are increasingly often used as a substitute for an actual, well-rounded identity.

This fluidity is particularly true for women, making the L of LGBT a dramatically different animal at its very core than the G.

A round of applause for all the political lesbians, "men are trash I'm a lesbian now", ''my bf grew his hair out, so I am a lesbian now!!", "all lesbians have exceptions, right???" and all the other women who aren't homosexual but claim to be ''lesbians'' for popularity, fashionability, political correctness and whatever other stupid reason.

A young woman recently told me that she is a lesbian, but her sexual attraction is to men. Apparently she’s not an outlier. .... Lesbianism and gayness are more different than they are similar in very fundamental ways. The gay male is more likely to stay in one lane for life

Again female homosexuality is judged based on what all the male-attracted ''lesbians'' behave like. Sorry but you'll have to find and study actual homosexuals to come to any worthwhile conclusions about homosexuality.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If only people left real actual lesbians alone!!!!!!!! We have an absurd number of non lesbians speaking on OUR behalf constantly. It's ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was having a look through this study: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-05/tfg-sct050219.php and I thought this might be interesting to shed some light on what is going on with "bisexual" women.

For example, 67% of women in the 'mostly straight discontinuous' group were attracted to both sexes in their early 20s. However, this number dropped to almost zero by their late 20s, by which time the women reported only being attracted to the opposite sex.

I think when you look at it overtime as this study is, then you get a clearer picture— lesbians aren't "fluid" but many "bisexual" women are and seem to only have a passing interest in women.

[–]a_blue_bird 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are they really bisexual? I can imagine a few reasons why women in their early 20s would claim to be into other women when they actually aren't.

Straight people made up the largest group and showed the least change in sexual preferences over time. Interestingly, men were more likely than women to be straight - almost nine out of 10 men, compared to less than three-quarters of women.

Do you believe that more than 1/3 of women are either bisexual or homosexual? Because I don't.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No I don't, but I think what it seems to show is that there is a small group of homosexual women, and then a larger segment of bisexual / heterosexual women who have some interest in other women. Like, I think there are loads of straight women who have labelled themselves as bisexual at some point, or have only had a brief / slight interest in other women. I wouldn't call them bisexual.

I think the point of the study though is to show that a lot of people experiment and try things as teenagers or young adults before settling into an identity that more accurately reflects who they are... so a lot of people who might've called themselves bi or lesbian as a teenager probably weren't. I can't tell you what the study means by the fact that most people in the "bisexual" group were no longer bisexual because I can't read the study itself either (like, how did they define bisexual?)... But from what I can see they are grouping together the women who have primarily have sexual experiences with men but also report some level of sexual attraction to the same sex in their teens or 20s, but whose attraction to other women doesn't remain as they get older. I think they want to make this group distinct from bisexuals who have continuing interest in both sexes and homosexual women who are gay from woe to go.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. They're being biphobic and lesbophobic with that statement. 😅

[–]fuck_reddit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A very good breakdown of the article. I find it particularly funny that this guy would also probably write that "LGB people can't know they're L, G, or B in their teens, it's just too early to really know." And then he turns around and uses stats from the same age range as if the self-ID is 100% accurate. Lol I know of people that realized their sexuality in their 20's and other people that """suddenly""" were straight in their twenties after being "soooo kweer" their entire lives...

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LGB women are probably more at risk for pregnancy anyway, because

  • They're GNC - GNC children are more likely to be abused and bullied, and in turn less likely to have supportive resources if they are sexually assaulted by a peer or adult

  • Sexual abuse and assault - The rate of child sexual abuse among lesbians is like 2x that of heterosexual women (I haven't checked for bi women but wouldn't be surprised if it were similar). LB women are more likely to have a history of sexual assault and more likely to have been through more types of sexual assault.

  • Corrective rape - I would bet this is more common than people like to think, even in Western countries, and this would certainly skew the statistics.

Would not be surprised if some of the self-described "lesbians" are actually women with predominantly male partners (i.e. straight and bi women who aren't actually lesbians but don't realize it-- see the TRA-language-filled "Comphet Master Post").

[–]fuck_reddit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for this comment! Always good to bring up all the causes of a situation, especially if things need to improve.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh I am livid. Now these people are opening the door for religious monsters to come in and try to take our rights away again.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Feels kinda like a grim version of that meme with the two parties shaking on a mutual benefits deal, with the lgb on the side, gagged to keep the "harmony"..

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is same as increase in women's violence and rape cases, and women's prisons having increase of violence in last few years. And that happening only in "woke" countries. I wonder why?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think it is just the transbian grabage. I personally wonder if it is people who feel as though they cannot say no to unsafe sex due to homophobia / pressure to have heterosexual sex in order to conform. If they are having a hard time asserting their sexuality and saying no to heteroseuxality due to social pressure, then they probably will not see themselves as being in a strong bargaining position as to what kind of sex they want to have (e.g. condom / no condom) and will therefore not be assertive about having safe sex.

[–]fuck_reddit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, I think I was a bit too assertive of one possibility. No issue ever has one cause. This would make sense as a cause in many cases. After all, if the rate is 2-7x higher, there's probably many causes. This is an interesting perspective. My bf had a few pregnancy scares before he realized he was gay. So he would've been under the gay pregnancy stat.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://web.archive.org/web/20151130223417/http://teenwisemn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2015ASHR.pdf

This is the actual study. The LGBT stuff is on page 5.

[–]fuck_reddit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!

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