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[–]Rosefield 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The labour party got destroyed in the election. It's insane how many voters they lost. But the trans cult party is doubling down. They deserve their downfall.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Tories are much more sane. Labours is all about muslims and trans, and then they wonder people vote right.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Also, Labour is now pretty much the party that represents the champagne-socialist Islington set. You know something terrible has happened when the Conservatives become the party of the working class.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They literally wanted to make islamophobia a crime, I've heard. Basically, making cricizing islam a crime. I cannot remark how fucking dangerous is that and how fucking sick and dangerous islam fundamentalism is. Basically, you vote woke left, and you get repression of basic freedom, and support for really terrible fascist ideologies.

[–]CJLez 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I find interesting is when two 'oppressed' groups are at odds and people online have to pick which to support. For some reason when it's homosexuality versus Islam people tend to support Islam.

The whole Jeff Goldblum incident earlier this year where, on Drag Race, he asked a Muslim queen of Iranian heritage who was wearing a hijab on the runway if Islam was anti-women and anti-homosexuality did my head in. Bearing in mind that Iran frequently executes gay men and the Hijab is compulsary unless women want to be jailed. Twitter were furious and full of woke white knights saying that there was nothing even slightly homophobic or sexist about Islam and it was racist to suggest otherwise. Even when gay ex-Muslim people said 'actually, there is is an issue here', they were shouted down as being ignorant.

I don't support people harrassing or attacking random Muslim people but you should be able to criticise Islam the same way that you should be able to criticise Catholicism or Judaism or the Church of England or Scientology or any other religion.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Because the woke left see muslimness as a race, rather than simply a religion- So they end up supporting literally the most sexist, evil, brute and perverted of the religious ideology. Islam is the worst among the abrahamic religions. Literally, there is no real difference between nazism and the integralist form of islam. But leftism supports it, because of intersectional identity politics and oppression olympics logic. That's why supporting leftism is basically like giivng vote to far right today. Even more dangerous, because the left portraits itself as progressive. It is harder to fight wolves in sheep clothes.

[–]CJLez 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

My grandad, a lifelong working-class Cumbrian miner, unionist and Labour voter would be rolling in his grave if he knew what Labour had become.

[–]artetolife 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People say that every time labour changes their stance on anything, and this statement isn't even representative of the PLP. I never bothered joining LGBT Labour because as far as I can tell all they do is put a float on at the pride parades, they don't have any influence.

[–]PassionateIntensity 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They DO have influence -- they got Rosie Duffield to apologize for saying only females have cerixes after a week of bullying/violent threats and Keir Starmer didn't say a word to support her.

[–]CJLez 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Starmer sits on the fence so much he might as well be married to it. I did have some hopes for him (compared to Nandy and Bailey) but he's being such a let down. He's fairly good at PMQ but that's about it. He's also falling into the trap of saying why the Tories are bad for Britain rather than focusing on why Labour are good for Britain and that's not going to win the votes.

[–]Ambisextrous 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How pathetic, another reason that I can no longer support the Labour Party, she doesn’t believe this, she’s simply doing it to appease the bullies, that’s cowardly. In a few years time she’ll be saying she never believed this when it’s more politically convenient to do so...

[–]turtleduck23 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm not British so not really sure who she is, but did I read they want reparations from her because she said "only women have a cervix?". Are there any Brits on here who can tell me what the political climate is over there? Are the majority of women for this? One minute I hear there is a push back and the next I hear things like this or support for gender lessons in school.

[–]dandeliondynasty 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never did I think I would live to see the day where “women have cervixes” was a troubling statement.

[–]millicentfawcett 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think the majority of women are fully aware of all the issues. It's easy to forget that most of the population are not on Twitter and don't see the extremes of batshittery. Twitter isn't real life and the last election reflected that - twitter was convinced it would be a Labour landslide but what actually happened was an 80 seat majority for the conservatives. Activists are completely out of touch with what the wo/man on the street thinks. The other issue is what most people's understanding of trans is, a lot of people are still confused over terminology e.g they think a transwoman is a woman who wishes to be a man.

You've probably heard of our longest running soap opera Coronation St, back in the 90s they introduced a transwoman character called Hayley. It was a massive story at the time and the character stayed on the show for about 20 years. This is the type of thing that informs most people's views of a transwoman - however Hayley was played by an actual woman and the whole story arc bears no resemblance to the reality of the trans movement. If Hayley was played by a man and resembled one of the many reddit transbians yelling about gate keeping lesbians and girldick absolutely nobody would have bought into it. Nor would they have been impressed with an existing male character having a stunning and brave midlife transition and dumping his wife and kids in favour of posting fetish stuff on the internet.

There's an element of the British public having been groomed to accept the idea of one thing whilst something else entirely has been going on just out of sight. It's a testament to how dedicated the women who did spot what was going on have been that we've been able to turn things around as much as we have. Considering we don't have anything like the first amendment it's a tough slog when disagreeing that people can change sex means you risk your job. The big thing we do have going for us is that geographically we're a small country and this has made networking and awareness raising much easier. There's a long way to go but it's doable.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd never heard of her before today (there are 650 MPs after all) but the party she represents, Labour, has been the 'woke' party for some time now. They recently elected a new party leader who might be seen as a little less leftist than his predecessor, Jeremy Corbyn, who was the closest thing Britain had to a Bernie Sanders.

I gather that many British people are opposed to making it easier to transition and have generally sensible views on this gender woowoo. Or few people actually understand what's going on but when the Gender Ideologues wrap it in a veneer of 'human rights' nobody wants to be opposed to human rights.

It will be interesting to see what the Labour leader does, if anything. In the most extreme case he can 'withdraw the whip' and kick her out of the party, but I gather that only happens when you've seriously fucked up. If that is the case, I'll definitely write to my (Labour) MP to ask him what the hell?

Labour is the opposition party at the moment, and there hasn't been a Labour government for 10 years now. In the most recent general election they lost a lot of seats to the Conservatives, I think because so many lifelong Labour voters felt that Jeremy Corbyn, who represents a very wealthy constituency in north London was out of touch with 'normal' Labour voters, who, traditionally, were working class people and the party had close ties with the trade union movement.

[–]CJLez 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The UK is at the forefront of the GC/TRA divide. You have three main parties here and two smaller parties (and also a bunch of very small ones that won't get MPs elected as they don't have enough voters). This is a brief summery...

The Conservatives (the right-leaning party. Historically for the upper and upper-middle class people. In power since 2009 and for the forseeable future. Their politicans lean more towards the GC side and are more vocal in speaking about it. The Covid respose has gone so badly though that they are spooked at making themselves even more unpopular by clarifying or changing laws.

Labour (Left-leaning party. Historically for the working class but in the last election swathes of working class Labour voters switched to the Tories over Brexit and because they were sick of being taken for granted as Labour voters.) Labour are 100% full TRA on the face of things. They put out a statement saying that any women who hold gender critical views need to be 're-educated' and, if re-education doesn't work, they need to be 'expelled' from the party. The ironic thing is that the vast majority of GC women are former Labour voters but Labour have decided to listen to a very loud twitter mob and assume that it represents the majority of the country. They also do this on other political issues, constantly misunderstanding what their core voters actually want from them and keeping themselves out of power. You'll get some GC labour politicans but the backlash they face is huge.

The Scottish National Party - only applicable in Scotland but a very powerful political force. Lean towards the left. Want another Scottish independance referendum and that is their main purpose of existing. Full TWAW and are pushing through laws that redefine what 'women' means and anti hate crime bills that are so severe JK Rowling's previous tweets would count as breaking the law and could be worth prison time.

The Liberal Democrats - on the left. Got into a coalition government back in 2009 with the Tories and, still, nobody trusts them as far as they can throw them. Some people are starting to forgive them. Also full TWAW - wants to remove any medical requirements for transition and their previous leader (who quit after losing her seat in December) said that she doesn't believe everyone is born male or female. Believes that transwomen should be in women's prisons as they are some of the most vulnerable people in society.

The Greens - on the left. The most TRA. Pledged to allow children to start medically transitioning as young as they wanted to as it was against their human rights to wait until they were adults.

Most people in the UK don't know what is going on. They hear the 'statistics' about trans suicides and assume that 99% of transwomen are effeminate gay men who want full surgery. There are several grass roots movements such as Womens Place UK (who the Labour party deemed a 'hate group'), various ones about sports and schools and, of course, the LGB Alliance. There has also been a change in reporting where openly GC articles are starting to get reported.

TL;DR - There are lots of noisy people on both sides but the majority of the country still have zero idea what is going on.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's disappointing to realise that the Tories are talking the most sense on this issue.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's Trump in the USA, so I guess the UK has it a bit better?

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Labour is a dead party that will never be in power until they get rid of these maniacs.

[–]hellonumpty 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They've been like this for a while. If I remember right, a few years ago, a lot of women cancelled their membership with the Labour Party over interrogation like interviews that Labour Party members (or something??? Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, I am going from very vague memory of seeing this) went through in context of weeding out TERFs, and "TERF ideology."

This was all around the same time Liam "Lily" Madigan was appointed women's officer.

[–]PassionateIntensity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lily Madigan is the a teenage Yaniv.

[–]julesburm1891 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

...how does anyone even pretend he’s a woman?

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, a lot of the funding for Trans, Inc., lobbying comes from the Medical Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex, in addition to a few extremely wealthy gay men, Soros, Buffett and the Pritzker family.

But a good portion of the US funding of trans demands activism has a profit motive - what is driving UK politicians' capitulation to Trans, Inc.?