LGB ErasureBritish Labour Party LGBTQ+ group declares war on adult human females

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[–]turtleduck23 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm not British so not really sure who she is, but did I read they want reparations from her because she said "only women have a cervix?". Are there any Brits on here who can tell me what the political climate is over there? Are the majority of women for this? One minute I hear there is a push back and the next I hear things like this or support for gender lessons in school.

[–]dandeliondynasty 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never did I think I would live to see the day where “women have cervixes” was a troubling statement.

[–]millicentfawcett 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think the majority of women are fully aware of all the issues. It's easy to forget that most of the population are not on Twitter and don't see the extremes of batshittery. Twitter isn't real life and the last election reflected that - twitter was convinced it would be a Labour landslide but what actually happened was an 80 seat majority for the conservatives. Activists are completely out of touch with what the wo/man on the street thinks. The other issue is what most people's understanding of trans is, a lot of people are still confused over terminology e.g they think a transwoman is a woman who wishes to be a man.

You've probably heard of our longest running soap opera Coronation St, back in the 90s they introduced a transwoman character called Hayley. It was a massive story at the time and the character stayed on the show for about 20 years. This is the type of thing that informs most people's views of a transwoman - however Hayley was played by an actual woman and the whole story arc bears no resemblance to the reality of the trans movement. If Hayley was played by a man and resembled one of the many reddit transbians yelling about gate keeping lesbians and girldick absolutely nobody would have bought into it. Nor would they have been impressed with an existing male character having a stunning and brave midlife transition and dumping his wife and kids in favour of posting fetish stuff on the internet.

There's an element of the British public having been groomed to accept the idea of one thing whilst something else entirely has been going on just out of sight. It's a testament to how dedicated the women who did spot what was going on have been that we've been able to turn things around as much as we have. Considering we don't have anything like the first amendment it's a tough slog when disagreeing that people can change sex means you risk your job. The big thing we do have going for us is that geographically we're a small country and this has made networking and awareness raising much easier. There's a long way to go but it's doable.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd never heard of her before today (there are 650 MPs after all) but the party she represents, Labour, has been the 'woke' party for some time now. They recently elected a new party leader who might be seen as a little less leftist than his predecessor, Jeremy Corbyn, who was the closest thing Britain had to a Bernie Sanders.

I gather that many British people are opposed to making it easier to transition and have generally sensible views on this gender woowoo. Or few people actually understand what's going on but when the Gender Ideologues wrap it in a veneer of 'human rights' nobody wants to be opposed to human rights.

It will be interesting to see what the Labour leader does, if anything. In the most extreme case he can 'withdraw the whip' and kick her out of the party, but I gather that only happens when you've seriously fucked up. If that is the case, I'll definitely write to my (Labour) MP to ask him what the hell?

Labour is the opposition party at the moment, and there hasn't been a Labour government for 10 years now. In the most recent general election they lost a lot of seats to the Conservatives, I think because so many lifelong Labour voters felt that Jeremy Corbyn, who represents a very wealthy constituency in north London was out of touch with 'normal' Labour voters, who, traditionally, were working class people and the party had close ties with the trade union movement.

[–]CJLez 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The UK is at the forefront of the GC/TRA divide. You have three main parties here and two smaller parties (and also a bunch of very small ones that won't get MPs elected as they don't have enough voters). This is a brief summery...

The Conservatives (the right-leaning party. Historically for the upper and upper-middle class people. In power since 2009 and for the forseeable future. Their politicans lean more towards the GC side and are more vocal in speaking about it. The Covid respose has gone so badly though that they are spooked at making themselves even more unpopular by clarifying or changing laws.

Labour (Left-leaning party. Historically for the working class but in the last election swathes of working class Labour voters switched to the Tories over Brexit and because they were sick of being taken for granted as Labour voters.) Labour are 100% full TRA on the face of things. They put out a statement saying that any women who hold gender critical views need to be 're-educated' and, if re-education doesn't work, they need to be 'expelled' from the party. The ironic thing is that the vast majority of GC women are former Labour voters but Labour have decided to listen to a very loud twitter mob and assume that it represents the majority of the country. They also do this on other political issues, constantly misunderstanding what their core voters actually want from them and keeping themselves out of power. You'll get some GC labour politicans but the backlash they face is huge.

The Scottish National Party - only applicable in Scotland but a very powerful political force. Lean towards the left. Want another Scottish independance referendum and that is their main purpose of existing. Full TWAW and are pushing through laws that redefine what 'women' means and anti hate crime bills that are so severe JK Rowling's previous tweets would count as breaking the law and could be worth prison time.

The Liberal Democrats - on the left. Got into a coalition government back in 2009 with the Tories and, still, nobody trusts them as far as they can throw them. Some people are starting to forgive them. Also full TWAW - wants to remove any medical requirements for transition and their previous leader (who quit after losing her seat in December) said that she doesn't believe everyone is born male or female. Believes that transwomen should be in women's prisons as they are some of the most vulnerable people in society.

The Greens - on the left. The most TRA. Pledged to allow children to start medically transitioning as young as they wanted to as it was against their human rights to wait until they were adults.

Most people in the UK don't know what is going on. They hear the 'statistics' about trans suicides and assume that 99% of transwomen are effeminate gay men who want full surgery. There are several grass roots movements such as Womens Place UK (who the Labour party deemed a 'hate group'), various ones about sports and schools and, of course, the LGB Alliance. There has also been a change in reporting where openly GC articles are starting to get reported.

TL;DR - There are lots of noisy people on both sides but the majority of the country still have zero idea what is going on.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's disappointing to realise that the Tories are talking the most sense on this issue.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's Trump in the USA, so I guess the UK has it a bit better?