LGB ErasureMale or female? My orientation IS my gender!

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[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 19 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Also known as attention seekers

[–]Lapis_Lazuli 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This accidentally ventures close to the unspeakable truth: many MtFs transition because they desperately wish to be lesbians, and many FtMs transition because they desperately wish to be gay men. "Gaygender" is unwitting code for autohomoeroticism, and "lesbiangender" for the subset of AGP that r/itsafetish used to call autosapphoeroticism.

[–]lavender_menace 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I thought women didn’t have AGP. Is it because of Yaoi? And are there that many? I thought women transitioned to be treated with respect.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, yaoi for women. I am guessing there is a larger proportion of men who transition because they fetishize lesbians, than women who transition because they fetishize lesbians-- just because like you said, some women / young girls do see how the whole "womanhood" sucks and want out.

There's a name for the women's version that Blanchard had, it's like autoandrophilia or something, I can't remember off the top of my head but I find an article if you're curious.

edit: Also I like your username lol.

[–]lavender_menace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I’d like that. Thank you.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here is the article I was reading. "autohomoerotic" was what Blanchard called the female equivalents-- sort of. https://quillette.com/2019/11/06/what-is-autogynephilia-an-interview-with-dr-ray-blanchard/

He clarifies the difference between male autogynephilia and female autohomoeroticism:

Autogynephilic (male) gender dysphorics are attracted to the idea of having a woman’s body; autohomoerotic (female) gender dysphorics are attracted to the idea of participating in gay male sex. For autogynephiles, becoming a lesbian woman is a secondary goal—the logical consequence of being attracted to women and wanting to become a woman. For autohomoerotics, becoming a gay man appears to be the primary goal or very close to it.

I am not aware of there being evidence to distinguish these terms per se, but I think he is just trying to be accurate to what he disturbed. This is part of why he distinguishes them:

There are also striking differences in developmental history. Many autogynephilic trans people report a period in their lives, usually during puberty, when they put on women’s undergarments (often “borrowed” from their mothers or sisters) and masturbated to orgasm. In contrast, self-reports of masturbating to orgasm in men’s underwear are missing in the histories of autohomoerotic females.

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They wouldn't have Autogynephilia (AGP: love of being a woman in a sexual way) but Autoandrophilia (love of being a man in a sexual way). So AAP (?) I believe the pop-culture term tho is Fujoshi.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you are right in how you interpreted that, but it looks like Blanchard is arguing that autoandrophilia is not really a thing in the same way, because the qualities of it (fetishization of homosexuals of the opposite sex) are quite different for men vs. woman. Although arguably he could be splitting hairs. I replied to another comment about his term for it, "autoeroticism", being the female version.

[–]fuck_reddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I generally agree, I believe much of the "fujoshi" (for lack of a better term) group is motivated more by a desire for gay men than a desire to be a gay man. Autogynephilia would be the desire to be a woman for sexual gratification (and so autoandrophilia the desire to be a man sexually).

[–]SeasideLimbs 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

So the TRAs are transphobic for getting the subreddit banned?

[–]julesburm1891 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I heard William Shatner wants to visit space. Does he have room on the ship? Can I go along and never return to this planet?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

No, there is no more room for the privileged and non-oppressed. The TQ+ has "politely petitioned" via rat-on-door at Starfleet HQ to be more inclusive of "Queer identifiers" and now 95 percent of the slots are filled by Transhuman natal Klingons loyal to a "Gentle Friendly Empire".

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That flag is kinda purty. What a waste.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly I agree, I have seen way worse.

[–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was going to say the same thing XD

[–]kwallio 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm super confused. Isn't this just compulsory heterosexuality?

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More like "my orientation is please-at-least-someone-have-sex-with-me-I-don't-want-to-die-virgin-sexual".

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know-- this is actually the least surprising made-up "gender" to me. Because I have seen a bunch of times on Tumblr people being like "lesbian is my gender" like not even joking. "Being lesbian is the only way I identify with being a woman" what does that even mean...