A daily reminder from Buck Angel:

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[–]artetolife 43 insightful - 7 fun43 insightful - 6 fun44 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Well yeah. If biological sex is irrelevant and it's all down self ID then there's no need for all those hormones and surgeries to be paid for on the taxpayers dime. Can't have it both ways!

[–]Lessom 32 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Does the trans cult also harrass Buck for having common sense?

[–]indeepshadowsBi woman 41 insightful - 6 fun41 insightful - 5 fun42 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

They do. And they cancelled their TRA queen, Contrapoints, simply for having Buck Angel do a 10 second voice over for one of their videos.

[–]Lessom 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not surprising at all. Nobody is safe, not even one of their ‘own’.

Checked Buck’s twitter and there is a lot of support as well thankfully.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

She keeps getting held up as some paragon of rationality in the practice of transgenderism. I call bullshit. Some people will point to the Buck Angels and Blair Whites and say "see, they aren't all crazy." I suspect they are simply more cunning in presenting a conciliatory tone than the wokeholes do. For example, "transition" is not possible because one cannot become the opposite sex, yet she insists on using the term. Or another example here, putting "biologically" in front of male or female is unnecessarily redundant. Seemingly rational or crazy, they all are promoting the same base ideology. It's the concept which is at odds with the phenomenon of homosexuality.

Also, no one is saying biology "doesn't exist" -- she is relying on the same "existence" strawman, just in a different way than we're used to seeing.

At least she puts the word male in quotes, I guess that's something. I will never see her as a man because she is not the same as me.

[–]reluctant_commenter 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think it all boils down to the question: "Are there real trans people at all? Is trans a real phenomenon?"

I think that many, or maybe even most, of the people on this sub actually do think that trans is a real thing. Tbh, there is not enough scientific evidence either way at this point. I do not (yet) believe that it is all fake.

What I am certain of, is that the vast majority of people saying they are trans, are not actually trans and/or would not benefit from trans medical procedures and drugs-- and at least from what I have seen so far, that is what unites this sub (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty new to the "drop the T" train). AGP, homophobia, the whole yaoi thing, fetishization of gay men and lesbians, internalized misogyny, mental illness. Regardless of whether trans is a real thing, it is overwhelmingly clear that the trans medical industry is a moneymaking system that is perpetuating abuse, violence and hate towards multiple groups.

I could be wrong. Trans could be all fake. But honestly, only time will tell.

[–]ThisSiteIsUnusable 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think most people on here (and gendercrit people and radfems, three overlapping but distinct groups) agree with this. There are some rare people with a mental problem that expresses itself through serious, life altering distress over their body's sex characteristics. For some of these people surgery and hormone treatments may be their best shot at being able to cope with their mental illness and have a decent quality of life. But no, no one who's paying attention can really believe that all of the Aydens on tumblr or Lilys on reddit are suffering from this rare mental disorder.

[–]immersang 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it all boils down to the question: "Are there real trans people at all? Is trans a real phenomenon?"

Ah, but to answer that, first you'd have to answer "what does trans actually mean?" in this case.

If it means how ThisSiteIsUnusable defined it, quote:

There are some rare people with a mental problem that expresses itself through serious, life altering distress over their body's sex characteristics. For some of these people surgery and hormone treatments may be their best shot at being able to cope with their mental illness and have a decent quality of life.

...then yes, I'd agree that this is a real thing. It's just much much rarer than the current trans movement makes it out to be.

Or does it mean "people who are actually born in the wrong body"? Then it's a resounding NO. That's not how nature works.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What the other user was actually saying though, is that they don't think it's a real thing by the first definition you pointed out. That it is not even simply rare-- but rather, that it doesn't exist at all. That is the part to which I was responding to.

Further, to your point: that first definition, the conceptualization of trans as a mental health issue, is the only one I have found that displays consistency. The other ones are just straight-up ideology. But in all truth, we actually don't know for sure even whether that internally consistent first definition is true.

Or does it mean "people who are actually born in the wrong body"? Then it's a resounding NO. That's not how nature works.

I agree, although to be fair, I am pretty sure that this started out as a metaphor and then people started taking it literally, lol.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)

[–]immersang 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, I hope I didn't come across as antagonistic towards you / your reply. I didn't mean to. It was more a general statement, not necessarily aimed at you specifically (and I admit I could have made the clearer). Because there are these different definitions it's always a bit of a balancing act. Once you say "yes, I think trans is a real thing" many people these days will just interpret that as "I think being born in the wrong body is an actual thing".

I agree, although to be fair, I am pretty sure that this started out as a metaphor and then people started taking it literally, lol.

You are probably right, yes.

And we see where this is getting us. "No one is actually saying that sex is not real" / "No one actually means that" has by now also turned into people literally saying and meaning just that.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh you're totally fine! I didn't interpret your comment that way at all, but that's thoughtful of you to check :)

Once you say "yes, I think trans is a real thing" many people these days will just interpret that as "I think being born in the wrong body is an actual thing".

Yeah, that's true, that interpretation has become very ubiquitous now.

"No one is actually saying that sex is not real" / "No one actually means that" has by now also turned into people literally saying and meaning just that.

Exaaaactly. It really bothers me when some trans people say stuff like that denying what are common phrases and points of argument for many other trans people.

[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right, the group sometimes known as "transmed" or "truscum" who believe that trans is a real thing but that it has to be a medical condition is often more closely aligned with GC than with TRA... so they'll be rejected as T*RFs even when they have literally transitioned. It doesn't mean all gender critical people agree that trans medicalism is legit, but it's a different category, in that it's possible to hold both positions - and for many GC types it's kind of an unknown "let's discuss it", so long as we don't just erase women and homosexuals with a wave of the hand.

[–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this.

She does no fully live as a man because she has taken that stereotypical social role, that alone is irrational.

For males LARPing as women, they want female validation and will either force it from women with the law, or will act all nice and cooperative. But it's all a means to an end, which is gender identity validation. I find this infuriating, considering how many of my fellow feminists fall for the latter.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Twitter is filled with morons arguing sex is a social construct or that trans women can become biological women after transition. Or that saying biologically female is transphobic.

Every single day you see that bullshit.

Just today i saw someone argue that the word woman includes transwomen because language evolves and should evolve because the dictionary is a social construct that is highly transphobic.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Observing this trans thing is like being a bystander to a massive car crash pile-up. All you can do is make sure the people around you are aware and safe because it's impossible to attract the attention of the unassuming masses too distracted by whatever is going on in the car. The nonsense happening on twitter is like the first set of cars that started the crash.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's all so crazy that if you tell other people who are not aware they think you are just making this shit up. Its to a point where i just take screenshots and links so when i talk about it people will actually have to believe me lol.

Today there was a twitter thread where the were talking about how transwomen can breastfeed...

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Whoa, does this mean Buck Angel is cancelled now?

[–]Ricky_Ticky 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bless this man!

[–]NiceDickBro 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Are Buck and Blare White the only sane ones?

[–]luckystar 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look up "truscum" and "transmed", those are the main words to describe these folks. The trans people I know IRL generally hold those views but I'm a bit older. The Gen-Z is where it really got insane with the "words don't mean anything" people

[–]artetolife 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Not if they're the barometer for sanity anyway, they're just standard transmedicalists who get a lot of attention because they're somewhat passing.

[–]Tikiri 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I really like Rose of Dawn’s YouTube. I think the content is very intelligent and thoughtful.

[–]NiceDickBro 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ooh haven’t seen. I’ll give it a look, thanks friend

[–]CAB_Life 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ll second that. Rose is lovely and speaks common sense. Much less a super-fetishized-female version than say, Blaire White. And that’s not a dig at either of them, they’re just very different personalities and people.