Article - Fertility Frontier: Can Transgender Women Get Uterus Transplants?

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[–]aloris342 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

“A woman who is born without a uterus and a man who transitions into a woman because of gender dysphoria have a similar claim to maternity if we consider them to have equivalent rights to fulfill the reproductive potential of their gender,”

Someone please deconstruct this sentence for me because, as written, it does not seem to make any sense.

[–]Happy_Blueberry3910 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are MtF then you have the "right" to get uterus transplantation, to feel more like a real woman.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not going to translate it, it's a waste of time. This kind of language is a puddle of mud and when you try to find the meaning it's seen as "losing the argument." Hiding an argument in shitty and pretentious writing then is seen as the best way to "win."

The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not. This mixture of vagueness and sheer incompetence is the most marked characteristic of modern English prose, and especially of any kind of political writing.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I fucking love that essay.

[–]Houseplant 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So some donkus thinks that men should be included in uterus transplant trials/experiments and Tim’s think this means they’re gonna get dead women’s reproductive systems squashed into their abdomens. Someone saying they think men should have this apparently eliminates every physical trait men have that makes it impossible to have a uterus.

How is anyone that dumb? Can I just chuck on a lab coat and give opinions and pop science will treat me like a genius?

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Something tells me this is going to be way more problematic than the article suggests.

For a start they'd need to be on anti rejection meds, their bodies aren't designed to cope with the blood flow being redirected, they don't have spare space for the baby to grow (bigger heart and lungs).

Something tells me a high rate of birth defects and miscarriage will be an issue.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Including males in trials for uterus transplants is ridiculous. It will skew the results and fuck shit up for women since men and women have very different bodies. It's insane and unscientific to do it and any study to come out of it would be flawed and potentially damaging.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with the poster on Mumsnet who said the point of these articles about uterus transplants in TIMs is to widen the Overton window so that in discussions about fertility the ability to bear and birth children will no longer be associated with being female. This is reflective of the new view that male people have a "human right" to acquire uteri and female gametes by any means possible in order to fulfill their dreams/desires of having children.

[–]ColoredTwice 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When abortion is not a women's right, but "people's right" it always ends up with males controling female biology. The "average human" is always malecentric entity, or it is sometging that affects both males and females - so solves zero issues. Similar happening with FGM and libfem parties, they are starting to discuss only issues that are "affecting both women and transwomen" - so they are not talking about women's issues at all.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now a new publication in the journal Bioethics makes the case that research trials should consider including transgender women

So some useless publication that nobody reads, got it.

As transgender rights gain increasing mainstream acceptance, the political and social environment could also be ripe for broadening the scope of the surgical innovation. The paper suggests a transgender woman could possibly undergo a uterus transplant sometime in the future if an ethical framework is absorbed into clinical practice and research trials demonstrate the safety and success of uterus transplantation in this population.

So this article says that because TiMs really wanna get pregnant super duper bad, we should consider that first and I guess there might be some safety crap but the most important thing is how they really really want it, guys. They admit freely that these are in the research trial stage, and provide no context for the medical reality of the procedure - is a 30% success rate supposed to be good? Is n=60 enough to say that this is a well-understood procedure - and yet TiMs already have a "right" to it.

Nobody has a right to get pregnant. People have a right to not be sterilized by evil people (hm kinda like the ethical disaster of transitioning minors) but goddamn, everything is a right to these people. The word basically means "I want it." Seeing how our society has apparently been overtaken by a collective delusion makes me think it's already too late for us.

[–]aloris342 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bioethics as a field has gone off the deep end, IMHO. As you point out, part of the problem is that the governing philosophy seems to be "I want it" rather than going with what is really healthy for our bodies. Hence, sterilization of young people can somehow be framed as a benefit, even though it is objectively damaging.

Also worried about the issue of women as organ donors for this kind of thing.

[–]kwallio 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no way a male could host an implant uterus and come out alive with a baby. This is just horrific.

[–]grixit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Obsolete already. Some researchers in Israel claim to have grown a mouse embryo outside a body. But they are not thinking about pregnancy for transfolk, but for reproduction between gays.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ive said before that it would probably be easier to grow a baby in a vat than in a male's body.

[–]JoanofArc5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is an absolute orchestra of hormones/chemicals/and processes that a womans body engineers to grow a human. It takes more than a uterus!

But this was never about science.