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[–]forwardback 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Yea, I was really appalled by some of the political, tribalistic comments even displayed on that thread. Is such directed rhetoric not divisive? Does no one use qualifiers like "some, a percentage," or even "most" anymore? Passions are high with the possible, if not probable, pending loss of women's legal rights, protections, and spaces, but this smacks of redirected aggression to me. And, yeah, it's sexist. It's not subtle. Edit. Construction, bolding

[–]diapason 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Does no one use qualifiers like "some, a percentage," or even "most" anymore?

Nope. Nuance is for the weak!

(/s)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I have to admit i honestly sometimes am getting fed up with some of the people on ovarit. Their opinions are just as black and white as some of the people they are fighting against and if you express more critical thinking you get argued with.

I don't like it. And if something is going to set back the GC activism its this nonsense.

[–]forwardback 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Mmmm. I'm not on Ovarit, but in issue forums I admit to staunch speech. Sometimes it's warranted to relay issue importance or shut down subversion. e.g. Misogyny in women's forums or TRA trolls

Politics is a filthy tool feminists must deal with, and, historically, things quickly get nasty. But Women fighting for their issues in politics are different- we're not the default in society, we're ignored, dismissed, a/o used and abused, in any group, any area, our whole lives. So, when women fiercely cling to party affiliations and point fingers at other women, there IS also this sexist element. It is inherent in our social position (edit) and conditioning. We should be aware of it. IMO, the women in that Ovarit thread dismissing the linked article, are denying this fact, are doing themselves and other women another harm. Awareness can be painful, yet should we not strive for it?

I fear debate and discussion have become frowned upon in this era. (I'm ranting on society in general now, not specifically GC spaces.) Bad ideas now equal a bad person to too many people. Too often, Individual personal development stage is disregarded, "you must be as knowledgeable as me, NOW" expectations are common. Tolerance and "live and let live" values are only applied to special people. Sad times. Edit add qualifiers. :)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you. I used to have the most educationg and interesting discussions with people of all walks of life with all kinds of opinions. The ones clashing with mine have been the most interesting ones and making unlikely friends was a benefit.

These days it seems like one bad sentence gets you the boot from a group and called names. It feels so much like bullying. This is not how humans are supposed to socialise. It's painful.

[–]NDG 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Is there any single-issue organization about protecting women's sex-based rights when it comes to encroachment from TiMs? I would really like to formally join something and do some real-world work about this, but it's like everything has additional aspects I don't necessarily agree with.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel your pain. I would also like to just focus on one issue without the rest. So far im just picking and chosing things i can participate in and try to ignore the rest. It is frustrating.

[–]devushka 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously, I wish we could all just focus on one thing and then we can go our separate ways.