The subtle sexism of ‘feminist’ Democrats | Spectator USA

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[–]forwardback 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Yea, I was really appalled by some of the political, tribalistic comments even displayed on that thread. Is such directed rhetoric not divisive? Does no one use qualifiers like "some, a percentage," or even "most" anymore? Passions are high with the possible, if not probable, pending loss of women's legal rights, protections, and spaces, but this smacks of redirected aggression to me. And, yeah, it's sexist. It's not subtle. Edit. Construction, bolding

[–]diapason 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Does no one use qualifiers like "some, a percentage," or even "most" anymore?

Nope. Nuance is for the weak!

(/s)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I have to admit i honestly sometimes am getting fed up with some of the people on ovarit. Their opinions are just as black and white as some of the people they are fighting against and if you express more critical thinking you get argued with.

I don't like it. And if something is going to set back the GC activism its this nonsense.

[–]forwardback 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Mmmm. I'm not on Ovarit, but in issue forums I admit to staunch speech. Sometimes it's warranted to relay issue importance or shut down subversion. e.g. Misogyny in women's forums or TRA trolls

Politics is a filthy tool feminists must deal with, and, historically, things quickly get nasty. But Women fighting for their issues in politics are different- we're not the default in society, we're ignored, dismissed, a/o used and abused, in any group, any area, our whole lives. So, when women fiercely cling to party affiliations and point fingers at other women, there IS also this sexist element. It is inherent in our social position (edit) and conditioning. We should be aware of it. IMO, the women in that Ovarit thread dismissing the linked article, are denying this fact, are doing themselves and other women another harm. Awareness can be painful, yet should we not strive for it?

I fear debate and discussion have become frowned upon in this era. (I'm ranting on society in general now, not specifically GC spaces.) Bad ideas now equal a bad person to too many people. Too often, Individual personal development stage is disregarded, "you must be as knowledgeable as me, NOW" expectations are common. Tolerance and "live and let live" values are only applied to special people. Sad times. Edit add qualifiers. :)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you. I used to have the most educationg and interesting discussions with people of all walks of life with all kinds of opinions. The ones clashing with mine have been the most interesting ones and making unlikely friends was a benefit.

These days it seems like one bad sentence gets you the boot from a group and called names. It feels so much like bullying. This is not how humans are supposed to socialise. It's painful.

[–]NDG 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Is there any single-issue organization about protecting women's sex-based rights when it comes to encroachment from TiMs? I would really like to formally join something and do some real-world work about this, but it's like everything has additional aspects I don't necessarily agree with.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel your pain. I would also like to just focus on one issue without the rest. So far im just picking and chosing things i can participate in and try to ignore the rest. It is frustrating.

[–]devushka 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously, I wish we could all just focus on one thing and then we can go our separate ways.

[–]purrfect 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look, the Left in general has lost its marbles. They will shame the working class, gays and lesbians, POC and their aunty for voting right wing parties, because "we don't know what's best for us". I'm saying this as a lifelong leftist voter, the biggest mistake we as feminists can do is be a captive vote. Even worse, be a captive vote of the political side that is trying to erase your sex class and then insult, mock, cancel and silence you for not complying.

My vote is fucking expensive, okay? My vote belongs to me and not to any political party. They are used to betraying and backstabbing captive voters, because their PR machine has convinced us that they are still the party of the oppressed, when, in reality they are the party of Silicon Valley. Then they have the gall to turn around and shame the ones that dare vote other options and consider that a betrayal! Bah!

To all those women who didn't vote Left, because you didn't want to be unnamed and accept penis as brave and stunning womanhood: I respect you.

[–]forwardback 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ffs. If this comment (from a woman-centered website post) isn't a blatant example of what Murphy was talking about in the article linked in this very Saidit post...

Commenter snipped from previous commenter:

Stop blaming your trump supporting friends and radfems on Twitter; women have the right to vote for whomever they please and for whatever single issue they please. For some women, this is a hill to die on.

And proceeds to say this:

And that makes them contemptibly stupid. If someone voted for Trump because they truly thought it would be better for women, they're simply too stupid to be useful and should be kept placid and away from the adults while we're working.

Edit. Tell me how that is in no way a sexist remark!

[–]purrfect 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is. "Either you vote like I think you should or you're stupid". How is that argument not patronizing or worthy of respect?

I'm not saying I would have voted for Trump, but removing the category of sex, like Biden is planning to do, looks like an insane idea to me. The level of insanity the left likes to apply to Trump. Don't get me wrong, I trust the Rs as far as I can throw them, when it comes to gender ideology. The Left is not the only one pushing gender ideology in Western societies, but since the Left has so happily taken it as a priority, the Right is letting them do the dirty work. We all know Rs are not to be trusted, but they are not the ones planning to do the ultimate harm. D's are not only pro self-ID, but pro prostitution and pro surrogacy. The idea that women fearing Biden is over a single issue and therefore voting Trump is worthy of contempt proves Meghan Murphy exactly right.