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[–]forwardback 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Mmmm. I'm not on Ovarit, but in issue forums I admit to staunch speech. Sometimes it's warranted to relay issue importance or shut down subversion. e.g. Misogyny in women's forums or TRA trolls

Politics is a filthy tool feminists must deal with, and, historically, things quickly get nasty. But Women fighting for their issues in politics are different- we're not the default in society, we're ignored, dismissed, a/o used and abused, in any group, any area, our whole lives. So, when women fiercely cling to party affiliations and point fingers at other women, there IS also this sexist element. It is inherent in our social position (edit) and conditioning. We should be aware of it. IMO, the women in that Ovarit thread dismissing the linked article, are denying this fact, are doing themselves and other women another harm. Awareness can be painful, yet should we not strive for it?

I fear debate and discussion have become frowned upon in this era. (I'm ranting on society in general now, not specifically GC spaces.) Bad ideas now equal a bad person to too many people. Too often, Individual personal development stage is disregarded, "you must be as knowledgeable as me, NOW" expectations are common. Tolerance and "live and let live" values are only applied to special people. Sad times. Edit add qualifiers. :)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you. I used to have the most educationg and interesting discussions with people of all walks of life with all kinds of opinions. The ones clashing with mine have been the most interesting ones and making unlikely friends was a benefit.

These days it seems like one bad sentence gets you the boot from a group and called names. It feels so much like bullying. This is not how humans are supposed to socialise. It's painful.