The Trans Ego: Why Allies are becoming TERFS

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https://archive.is/zTrKE

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I was prepared to fight for your right to trans spaces. I was prepared to support you when you bitched about having less dating options. Prepared to call you she if it made you feel better. Prepared to fight for your right to healthcare, and respect. Prepared to fight against gender and male violence against you. I was prepared to be your ally. Many women felt the same. Many terfs started as allies.

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[–]Shinjin_Nana 66 insightful - 11 fun66 insightful - 10 fun67 insightful - 11 fun -  (9 children)

Trans are their own worst enemies and the crash is 'Buster Keaton's train on a bridge' level amazing to watch!

[–]Feather 61 insightful - 4 fun61 insightful - 3 fun62 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

They really are. If they'd stopped when so many of us agreed to call them the pronouns they prefer and supported them in transitioning medically as adults they'd be sitting pretty right now.

Instead they've created a situation in which people are so scared to be labeled a "TERF" that those people are silent while angrily stewing in what they actually know to be true, and kids who will later sue the shit out of their "gender-affirming" doctors are victims of what everyone will soon recognize as psychotic medical malpractice.

The people who think this insanity will last forever are wrong. It won't. But the fact that it won't is based on something really sad: it won't last forever because they are harming as many people as possible, as viciously as possible. They're creating so much suffering, much of it permanent, that they'll be absolutely fucked when this is over. And they deserve that. But in the meantime they're ruining lives. The ruined lives and TRAs' ultimate ruination are inextricably linked.

[–]itsnotaboutewe 35 insightful - 5 fun35 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly think that even if they got everything they are currently fighting for they would change tack and still be screaming for something else. It can only end in the annihilation of the modern transgender movement. As an ideology it feeds on chaos and drama so if they win and are given all they want there will be a drama vacuum and they will cease to exist.

[–]luckystar 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What's really sad is there are reasonable trans people that aren't trying to overstep their boundaries -- usually older people that call themselves "transsexual", think Buck Angel, Blaire White etc. But they are ostracized by their own, ask any of the "non binary girldick having biological female bisexual demiromantic lesbian" anime avatar uwus and they'll tell you that the reasonable transsexuals are "cis bootlickers" and "internalized transphobia". The face of the movement at this point is an anime girl avatar shouting "terfs suck my girldick or die a bloody death" and the more people that are exposed to that behavior the more people will peak. LGBT acceptance has gone DOWN for the first time in over a decade and it's all the fault of those clowns.

[–]Anandamide 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I think of the Sampoong department store collapse. Shoddy construction, top heavy and arrogant management and boom, gone in a matter of seconds.

[–]yishengqingwa666 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And over 500 people killed underneath that building.

[–]Anandamide 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. It was a completely avoidable tragedy, had the building owner just closed the mall when they saw the floor separating from the pillar on the 5th floor. Those poor people died of his short-sighted greed.

[–]CigarsofthePharoahs 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw the Seconds From Disaster documentary about that. At one point the narrator said "It was never a case of IF but WHEN the building collapsed." With a lot of stuff happening at the moment I think it's a case of "when not if" things come out and consequences happen. With all the hard work done by so many here and elsewhere that "when" will be a lot sooner and fewer people hurt.

[–]Anandamide 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, that is such a good show. I have a morbid fascination with catastrophic structural failures, why they happened and how they were accounted for going forward in design and engineering. The TRA worldview and stranglehold on culture is built on the flimsiest of pretenses, little more than delusion and faith. Spread facts and try to keep as many people from getting hurt as possible, I agree.

[–]materialrealityplz 45 insightful - 4 fun45 insightful - 3 fun46 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. They want to occupy us. If they just wanted to live, they wouldn't push 'transwomen are women', which creates conflict and isn't even true.

They would fight for trans acceptance, not to actually be women and be in our spaces.

What's so wrong with being trans that they try to pretend they aren't anyway? The most transphobic people are the people who push 'transwomen are women'. :P

[–]Binah17 42 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most trans allies don't know anything about autogynephilia and other mental health issues that fuel the trans movement. They don't even know that TRA's want to get rid of needing a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I personally don't even believe most TRA's have gender dysphoria, most are just fetishists. Just be a fetishist and don't try to erode women's rights and get into spaces you know you don't belong. Also, they're massive cowards fighting radical feminists and not the men killing and assaulting them.

[–]MarkTwainiac 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're assuming that autogynephilia precludes a diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" as if these are two separate things entirely at odds. Not so.

Though the term autogynephilia itself was coined by Ray Blanchard only 30 years ago, the phenomenon or paraphilia of AGP had been recognized since "transsexualism" first became a thing nearly a century ago with the case the Lili Elbe of "Danish Girl" fame, and especially since the 1950s and 60s when transsexualism started to become popular and much in the mainstream eye due to TIMs back then being given tons of favorable coverage in the Western press and popular culture.

In fact, the phenomenon we call AGP today has always been seen as the principal cause of "gender dysphoria" (previously "gender identity disorder") in males who develop "gender dysphoria" during or after puberty. Many clinicians have reported that in adolescent and adult males, "autogynephilic gender dysphoria" is the most severe kind of "gender dysphoria."

For males, being sexually aroused at the idea of one's self as a female, and being obsessed with and utterly in love with one's own fantasy female self, is not a requirement to get a diagnosis of clinical "gender dysphoria" (or GID previously) - but being/having AGP doesn't preclude getting a clinical diagnosis of GD/GID either.

Ever since clinicians have been making the the diagnosis of GD/GID, tons of AGPs have gotten this particular dx and been approved for hormones and surgeries based on it. This is why the majority of the most famous and prominent men who have publicly transitioned in the past half century have been het men who'd been married to women and fathered children and have both AGP and clinical diagnoses of GID/GD - from James Jan Morris and Richard Raskin Renee Richards, who transitioned in the early 1970s, to het AGPs who transitioned in later decades like surgeon Marci Bowers, tech and business titan Martin Martine Rothblatt (the "highest paid woman in America"), trans funder James Jennifer Pritzker, and Bruce Caitlyn Jenner.

[–]Maeven 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a lot of empathy for people who are mistreated by society, which means at first I was trying to listen and understand and do my best to be supportive. I'm not going to say I was an "ally", because I've never been much of an activist nor was I actively involved in the trans community. But I was sympathetic and followed the rules, and if things sometimes contradicted each other and if I didn't entirely understand the reasoning of what was being done, I trusted that the trans community and medical community was acting in good faith and doing the right thing.

Up close and personal experience with people who were deeply involved really opened my eyes, alongside deeper soul-searching about what it all meant and the consistently stubborn community and their refusal to permit any questioning or doubt of what they tell us is true. It was a red flag that I knew all too well from other toxic communities, and I knew it was deeply wrong. I recoiled - and eventually found my way to people who would appreciate a curious mind and allow me my own thoughts.

[–]throwawayanylogic 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Went to see the original on medium and the author's account has already been suspended. What a surprise.

Sigh.

Thank you for saving and sharing the archive link. Our voices will not be silenced!

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really don't care if people transition and I think that trans people should have access to good gealthcare., But come on, the stuff coming out of trans activists lately is really stupid. They're going to have to shape up or get out because people are starting to wake up to the crap they're saying.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Policy makers and the media are doing no favors to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention." Dr Paul McHugh as cited by Abigail Shrier

the stuff coming out of trans activists lately is really stupid. They're going to have to shape up or get out because people are starting to wake up to the crap they're saying.

I don't think they can help it. I suspect that most of them are so mentally ill that they have zero capacity to comprehend their own insanity. What horrifies me is other people coddling it. We can all see this crap! Why is the media pretending it's okay for inmates to run the asylum? Infuriating.

[–]yousaythosethings 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If we want to accelerate the process of people waking up or the already terven to speak out, we should shop the lawsuit prospects to law firms that handle class actions. They are always thirsty for a story in the way journalists are and they will seek out the perfect litigants. Just tell them here’s your next case and direct them to Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier. That book essentially is a primer on the massive amounts of lawsuit potential including against medical professionals and pharmaceutical companies.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

"Informed Consent" clinics are a way to deflect these lawsuits with signed disclaimers and waivers. However, I do believe you're right, it's coming like a very expensive tidal wave. It's already hitting Britain:

*'I should have been told to wait': Woman treated with hormone blockers to reassign gender as a teenager takes NHS to court *

https://news.sky.com/story/i-should-have-been-told-to-wait-woman-treated-with-hormone-blockers-to-reassign-gender-as-a-teenager-takes-nhs-to-court-12031191

No Longer Silent, UK Gender Clinic Whistleblower Launches Lawsuit

https://genderheretics.org/index.php/2020/07/07/no-longer-silent-uk-gender-clinic-whistleblower-launches-lawsuit/

[–]yousaythosethings 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm a lawyer but this is not my field so I'd have to look more into the legal framework but I doubt the "informed consent" defense is anything close to bulletproof. There's only so much liability a person can waive. And there are so many factors at play here that there's a lot to work with. For one thing, there are being actively trying to hide risks in order to make a profit. A seasoned plaintiff's side class action firm should be able to devise a winning legal strategy, and even if it's not wholly successful, the amount of publicity it will bring will be enormous.

Additionally, narcissistic parents with Munchausen's pushing their kids to transition would not have a similar defense and I fully expect to see lawsuits against them too, though of course not class actions.

I'm not surprised that the lawsuits have started in the UK as they're ahead of the U.S. in terms of how far the trans craze has made changes to the law and warped the public discourse, so they will provide a helpful template for our legal approach.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm a lawyer but this is not my field so I'd have to look more into the legal framework but I doubt the "informed consent" defense is anything close to bulletproof. There's only so much liability a person can waive.

Words to inspire hope here.

I'm not surprised that the lawsuits have started in the UK as they're ahead of the U.S. in terms of how far the trans craze has made changes to the law and warped the public discourse, so they will provide a helpful template for our legal approach.

I would think that the fact Britain is not split into 50 different states (with different laws, different data collection, etc.) and has a unified national health care system is helping bring it into the light. Would love your knowledgeable opinion on that.

[–]yousaythosethings 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I did a very quick search trying to dig into the legal framework for the "informed consent model" in the United States and I found very little information about what this rests on. God, what else is new with trans ideology? Everything about it is meant to be purposely difficult to find actual factual information about. Sounds like this is a prime topic for someone to write a law review article on. Time to shop around this idea in r/lawschool. . . . I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to write an article for their law journal on such a hot button issue, and I'm sure there are some established legal scholars who would also not shy away from this topic. Abigail Shrier is a graduate of the best law school in the United States, so no doubt she has a few friends who might be interested in this topic. We really should be pushing this discussion in the public domain through every mechanism and angle possible. Pretty much everything angle paints a very ominous, Orwellian picture: medicine, psychology, law sociology, politics, existing civil rights, etc.

It certainly doesn't pass the smell test for TRAs to be talking about the rigorous evaluation process to obtain "gender affirmative" treatment if the model rests entirely on some nebulous notion of "informed consent" that is also a significant barrier to these "treatment" rubber stamps facing any liability. I wonder, what is required under the law for the patient or his or her parent to be considered "informed?" Known serious risks are very obviously not being disclosed and are arguably if not actually intentionally being kept hidden.

I am not super informed about the NHS but from what I know, I would be inclined to agree that the NHS as a major player in health care and as an aggregator of key data for which there is no equivalent in the United States, is way better positioned to expose transgenderism as the pseudoscientific massive abuse of human rights that it is, and it is much better for the lawsuits to start there than in the United States so that they can be used as precedent. If being transgender is innate and universal as activists claim (since they're so hellbent against typology and disambiguation), then there should be no issue with adopting findings from UK data and applying them to cases in the United States.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you so much for sharing all this knowledge and insight. I'm not a lawyer, so I find your perspective really illuminating and educational.

so no doubt she has a few friends who might be interested in this topic.

She had mentioned the framing of 'trans' as immutable in regards to positioning it for coverage under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause; and I thought to myself when reading through that chapter that I'd like to see their claims of immutability get a serious public airing out and a legal challenge in the future.

Known serious risks are very obviously not being disclosed and are arguably if not actually intentionally being kept hidden.

Excellent point. And Lupron's off label/experimental usage seems to be enabling prescribers to say, "We don't have studies on the effects of this specific off label use so we can't inform as to what the full future risks are". And no studies of its use as a puberty blocker in healthy kids are in progress either. They clearly don't want any studies done. (Of course when it was offered to me it was on-label, so to speak, therefore all the horrific side effects were explained. I noped out of there.)

We really should be pushing this discussion in the public domain through every mechanism and angle possible.

Off you trot to re-education camp. In all seriousness, it's starting to feel like the dam is breaking and we are starting to talk about it more, and more frankly, as a society in just the last few months. Which gives me a modicum of hope.

[–]yousaythosethings 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I recall the section of Irreversible Damage where Abigail addressed how the transgender movement is trying to position itself as immutable amidst the abundant evidence that it's not. Abigail spent a lot of time showing exactly how mutable and malleable it is and how "kids just know and we need to trust them" makes no sense. Desistance rates are high and this is without there being necessary tracking such as people who sign up for a gender clinic but desist while on the waiting list (I think this is more of a UK thing). Detransitioning rates are going to explode within the next few years as the younger teenagers become adults and as the older teens hit their mid-twenties. Once they hit the real world post-college they will at minimum realize what a poor coping mechanism this has all been and how ill-prepared they are to live a meaningful life outside their echo chamber. It's one thing for people to make being trans their career on YouTube. It's another if they hope to enter a professional field where they have to interact with all kinds of people and they have no control over what they're exposed to.

I am late to having the veil lifted on gender ideology, but I also see a bit of a dam breaking too. JK Rowling has provided a helpful excuse to breach the subject and take a temperature check of others, and signal that I'm open to this dialogue. She definitely emboldened me to step up, take action, and start using my voice and my own skillset to help make change. Abigail Shrier has helped too. I'm a lesbian but not a masculine one. I was tomboy-ish but not fullblown when I was younger so I didn't necessarily think that I would have been the natural prey for the movement that a lot of lesbians are. But that opening chapter in her book made clear that I was exactly the kind of teen who would have gotten swept up in it. I checked basically all of the boxes. And that is effing terrifying. I also have a mom who very obviously has narcissistic personality disorder and Munchausen's and who is politically liberal so it would have been a perfect goddamn storm.

[–]malleus_maleficarum[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

amidst the abundant evidence that it's not

A few years ago I'd have thought I sounded like a loon, but now it seems so reasonable to mention how thorough the trans movement has been at systematically trying to discredit and de-platform the very academics who would provide the expert testimony re: immutability. It feels highly coordinated, along with the development of mass-taggers to identify wrong-thinkers, the take-over of reddit/twitter/facebook policies...

It's another if they hope to enter a professional field where they have to interact with all kinds of people and they have no control over what they're exposed to.

I do worry about institutional capture, but I think the sheer volume of the rest of society - of the people they have to bully - will turn them into Hitler slogging through Russia. Perhaps I'm too optimistic.

They've done as predicted. Now that they've gotten women thrown off reddit and attacked women like JK Rowling, they're moving on to men: gay men's forums, Linehan, etc. And of course men are harder to bully and society cares more about their opinions when it happens.

I was a tomboy and I wanted to be a boy as a teen. I wasn't unhappy with my body or my social life, but I desperately wanted the privilege of not worrying about pregnancy, or rape, or a lifetime of catcalling and gross comments and being told girls are supposed to get married and have kids. I wanted to travel the world as a man with two pairs of khakis in a backpack, riding trains and sleeping in cheap hostels with no fear of men. I wanted men's jobs that paid well and came with respect and adventure. The TRA determination to get around the obstacle of parents, the grooming, the recruiting documented in that book sent a cold jolt through me. I'm sure that they would have tried to drag me in too, and that's horrifying.

But, I think the dam is breaking because we're all having the same jolts: "They'd have tried to get their hooks in me as a teenager" and "They're coming after every adult with boundaries and critical thinking skills." It's getting more and more personal for the bystanders.

[–]Osusanna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Beautifully, powerfully written. Standing ovation from me.

[–]LeyMio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fighting against women shows what shameless cowards they are.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm afraid the trans brigade will elbow in women's spaces wholesale in the US before anyone even recognizes it as a problem.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This whole thing has gotten me really upset. It could dismantle women's rights, parent's rights, children's rights-- all to make porn culture codified into law-- everyone has to bow down to the right for men to have erections and orgasms at all times and in all places.

[–]Anonimouse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that was 100% me. Now I'm really unclear what view points stand on what sides.