"Imagine if the public knew about TERFs, so many people would take their side."

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[–]DistantGlimmer 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I'm torn on this. I want to be optimistic and agree as I don't think most people actually believe transwomen are women but I think there is still a lot of misogyny out there. There is enough information about the "TERF" position out there that people could at least look into it more but many men seem happy to just hate on JK Rowling or other women while hiding behind wokeness and protecting a "vulnerable minority". I am so disgusted with how most left-wing men react to this issue.

[–]Riothamus 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

I think most left-wing men know TWAW is horseshit but hold their tongues on this issue so they don't have to deal with men with undiagnosed personality disorders screeching at them in their social media accounts.

[–]DistantGlimmer 33 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

worse than that I think, they want an excuse to hate on feminists while being perceived on the left and they like trans ideology because they like the idea that they have the option of opting out of male privilege. I think there's a strategic element to TRAs fighting to remove all actual medical criteria of dysphoria from transness and making it totally possible to self-ID as one of the "most oppressed women"

[–]yishengqingwa666 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Men know this hurts women, and they like it. Trans activism has been a boon to MRAs and male misogynists everywhere.

[–]WhyDoesHeDoThat 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Men know this hurts women, and they like it

This is the truth most women don't want to face. They think if they just explan for the millionth time why we don't want men in women's spaces these men will finally understand and leave us alone. The fact that it hurts women is the reason they do it. They enjoy it. They get a sadistic pleasure out of putting women in their place and showing them who's the boss just like men have been doing for thousands of years.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with you. There's an element of denial within radical feminism that is highly frustrating. It's the same non logic which says socialization is the root cause of sexism -- as if men have no actual motivation to exploit women.

Lemmee see... "without socialization men would not want women to provide them with sex, baby making, dirty sock picker upper, emotional labor, etc etc". while the socialization theory may make feminists feel better, it doesn't make any sense.

[–]WhyDoesHeDoThat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And somehow all men all across the globe and human history are socialized to act the same way. Even cultures that have never had contact with each other, they all beat their wives, rape women and use their daughters as trade chips to form alliences with other men.

[–]pink_lioness 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I really wonder what their reaction would be if they were treated like lesbians and told they need to experience the 'mouth feel' of a feminine penis. Like i'm actually not sure how they'd react. Maybe they'd say they would but then never actually follow through.

[–]Overdrive 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Can't really blame anyone for toeing the new line these days. So many stories of people losing their jobs, getting harassed and smeared online. That's two HUGE aspects of life by today's standards and without them you're fucked. If the movement has enough power and clout, and also blind faith from many many people in the public, anyone who would otherwise speak up just don't. I really fear that this new movement has become too powerful and is on a path too destructive to even alter.

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't blame the ones who just go along out of fear but many seem to enjoy harassing and threatening women and virtue signaling about how much they support "trans rights" which is usually just a dog-whistle for taking sex-based protections away. The big difference between just not speaking up and going out of your way to support misogyny and anti-feminism.

[–]SameOldBS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I really do feel some dudes have been very eager to jump on this woman-bashing bandwagon, or at least markedly reluctant to oppose it. As I say to any I encounter, you haven't got skin in the game, mate.

[–]mangosplums 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see quite a lot of women also doing this, not just men.