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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

You seem to fully understand that when sex is discernable/known, it determines your treatment more than 'gender presentation'.

Even when a person's birth sex is known, how they are treated can still vary. I came to this conclusion by listening to actual trans people. Also most trans people don't tell everyone they're trans, so most people they come across will treat them as the gender they present as.

Either you're hugely overestimating the number of people who do not have a discernible/known sex, or you're practising some serious cognitive dissonance.

I don't know about that, but I feel Jazz Jennings, Blair White and Buck Angel pass well.

Trans people and TRAs are more likely to treat trans men as men than GCs. To be treated as a certain gender means to be referred to the pronouns of that gender and to be granted access to spaces exclusive to that gender. TRAs push for using preferred pronouns, so we will refer to a trans man as "he" if that's what he prefers. GCs for the most part don't use preferred pronouns, and will refer to a trans man as "she" because he is AFAB even though that's a pronoun for women. TRAs are not opposed to passing trans men entering gay spaces, but GCs are. Trans men also wrote these comments (taken from this thread).

People think of trans women as perverted men and trans men as harmless, silly or even misguided lesbians.

I think the main issue is that biological men are seen as inherently threatening, hence the whole idea of trans women "infiltrating" female spaces.

There's probably a whole component to be seen in the perceived normality of women in men's clothes and perceived perversion of men in women's clothes.

I wonder who espouses these attitudes? TRAs do not think of trans women as perverted men and trans men as harmless. We do not think of trans men as extremely butch women or women trying to escape sexism. We see them as men who should have access to the same things cis men have. It's GCs who frequently talk over trans men, who "cis-splain" the sexism that trans men experience. GC women are GC women and are not in the same category as trans men, unless the trans guy is GC-leaning. GC men are GC men. Trans men are trans men and have their own unique experiences with sexism and cis women should not speak over trans men nor decide for trans men what kind of sexism trans men experience.