"Terrorism" == "Counter-Terrorism"? by Robin in AskSaidIt

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On the subject of terrorism and mission creep in language, I'm in the stupidest argument with someone on reddit right now.

There was a robbery at a local mall and one shot either was or wasn't fired but the entire mall and the store next door were evacuated.

The person I'm in the discussion with is insisting that this was an act of terrorism because of "right wing white males" mass shooting people.

Bayer/Monsanto paid google in order to manipulate search results and used PR agents in order to target journalists and activists. by HibikiBlack in conspiracy

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I mean, even an individual has a fair number of recourses to have altered search results in which they appear. I've done it myself.

The issue is that (a) dumb people trust google too much and (b) google has too much of an advantage with which to manipulate results to their own pleasing and (c) google being a private company does not disclose any of these things.

My (weirdly libertarian) GF used to insist all the time that google and social media should be regulated like a public utility, which I think would be the "easy" way out that only caused more problems but...

Bayer/Monsanto paid google in order to manipulate search results and used PR agents in order to target journalists and activists. by HibikiBlack in conspiracy

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I thought it was common knowledge that all majors companies do this.

Not that it doesn’t bear repeating.

The CDC has patented a strain of Ebola. by Robin in Health

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Is that a threat of violence I detect? Are you having thoughts of self harm or suffering from extreme depression?

Inactive sub moderators by dark_devil_dd in SaidIt

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I run a sub on reddit that's more than 6 years old. It's exceptionally inactive but most of us check back in once every blue moon and appreciate that it's still there. It's still bizarre to me when things on the internet go away. But I guess I'm an old man.

Inactive sub moderators by dark_devil_dd in SaidIt

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WOOSH

Ilhan Omar Erupts: Urges Washington To Halt Aid To Israel by Morphos1759 in news

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Build a wall?

"Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot..." George Carlin by EndlessSunflowers in quotes

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Ever notice? It wasn’t me.

JUST IN: Hillary Clinton's Deleted Emails Resurfaced To Haunt Her by Morphos1759 in news

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*Who Is

JUST IN: Hillary Clinton's Deleted Emails Resurfaced To Haunt Her by Morphos1759 in news

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Whose Hillary?

The CDC has patented a strain of Ebola. by Robin in Health

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Words from your mother.

My IQ is bigger than your dick.

If you knew where I lived, you know I don’t have a lawn.

And I don’t have an attack dog. Do you know who protects my OPP?

P-22

Shit on a dick, faggot.

Bowl cut maintenance guy gives himself a mullet by Orangutan in videos

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Honestly, guys, this is hate speech.

The CDC has patented a strain of Ebola. by Robin in Health

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oh yeah that would tons of sense, you faggot shill. fuck you. get the fuck off my lawn.

Who Do You Trust by EndlessSunflowers in conspiracy

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I think it was Reagan who said that. Did he steal it from Russia?

Who Do You Trust by EndlessSunflowers in conspiracy

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Trust. But verify.

Chase Bank Forgives "All Outstanding Credit Card Debt" For Canadian Customers by magnora7 in finance

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somehow I doubt that

Chase Bank Forgives "All Outstanding Credit Card Debt" For Canadian Customers by magnora7 in finance

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Okay, so before (or while) people go ape shit over this. Let's break it down a little.

I don't pretend to know the international credit card market aside from the fact that most countries don't do credit like America does credit.

Chase was offering TWO VISA cards in Canada. One through Amazon.com and one through Marriott (the hotel). They had previously CLOSED all of these accounts in the prior 10 months.

I don't pretend to understand the international credit card market but this seems like minor penetration. I'll look up the Canadian credit card market the rest of the night.

You only had Visa and you only had two processors. Most people when their account gets closed start paying off as fast as they can. Well, most responsible people (such as Canadians are) do.

SO: All these accounts were closed months ago and have been collected on since.

TL;DR: Canadians pay off their debts fast. It's no longer financially responsible for the firm to attempt to collect outstanding debts.

Open questions: Why did Chase decide to discard their Marriott and Amazon Visa cards last year?

How big of a player IS Chase on the international credit card market?

This seems like kind of a PR spin with no major economic downside for Chase. In America (and possibly Europe?) we think of Chase as a big name. Doesn't seem like Canada was crazy important to them, though.

Happy to hear substantive other inputs.

Chase Bank Forgives "All Outstanding Credit Card Debt" For Canadian Customers by magnora7 in finance

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I guess Canadians don't use credit cards. Let me look into this.

Jupiter just got slammed by something so big we saw it from Earth by magnora7 in space

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And that was just the front!

Facebook has been granted patent on shadow banning by Skuly in censorship

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Patent law is an extremely contentious issue at the moment. Much, much moreso than the other divisions of IP (Trademark and Copyright, both largely settled law, comparatively).

The legal profession is developed to the point where there are literally "Patent Trolls" and they are major inhibitors to real economic growth.

It's the type of issue that will end up in a SCOTUS decision. The problem is that neither the Conservatives (Roberts) nor the "Liberals" (Sotomayor, Kagan) are likely to understand the consequences or defend progress (a.k.a. the interest of the individual).

What that tells me is -- within 5 years, there will have to be a major technological advancement wherein information (as it always does) finds a way to be free.

Facebook has been granted patent on shadow banning by Skuly in censorship

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You actually have hit on a major league point regarding current patent law. This is very controversial, theoretically.

Most Trump Supporters by Jesus in conspiracy

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Congrats, man. You did it. This is one of the best discussion I've on saidit yet.

No Choice by [deleted] in Memetics

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Keeping this to post on FB when people tell me to vote.

No Choice by [deleted] in Memetics

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What self-imposed political refugees?

Reddit admins are apparently removing every thread that mentions the father of the alleged El Paso shooter and his connection with MK Ultra by magnora7 in MeanwhileOnReddit

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It's so cute how important they think they are.

Economic Collapse (The 2020 Economic Crisis Will Most Likely Be Very Different From The 2009 One) by CompleteDoubterII in collapse

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It'll be very different. It won't be as big. Also, it likely won't happen until 2023.

Chelsea Manning Is Still In Jail by TheWebOfSlime in news

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I mean, I guess you can compelled to testify, right? And then once you’re on the stand, the best/worst you can do is plead the fifth amendment, which if you haven’t been granted immunity...

Okay, I see the play now...

The amount of propaganda on the internet over the last few days has been crazy by magnora7 in whatever

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The elegant simplicity of Saidit's format make it more difficult for schemers to game the system; relative to other platforms.

I agree. And I can’t speak about what has been done to address growth. I was simply addressing the issue of karma farming which I do think warps any discussion platform. See: Reddit.

So many of these “discussion” sites sell themselves as games to be games when your quality users don’t want games and don’t care about karma. Saidit addresses that issue about as well as our old plastic.com alternative I’d say. And they were top two but they are/were on the smaller side. You always have to look for how things will scale.

The amount of propaganda on the internet over the last few days has been crazy by magnora7 in whatever

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Yes, there was a degree of censorship to having a submission queue. One might attempt rules that kept the bar very low.

One thing people today complain about tons is “noobs” invading/changing the culture. An old guard submission queue does allow for a slower integration. To be clear, I’m not arguing for it. It slowed discussion a lot. There weren’t many other games in town circa 2003.

The amount of propaganda on the internet over the last few days has been crazy by magnora7 in whatever

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There was once a wiki were we discussed and planned the plastic alternate. It was full of spam but it’s possible I have an archive. I do have an archive site of some static plastic pages that only went offline recently which I’m working on putting back.

2007: A CIA jet crashed in Mexico with tonnes of cocaine on board. Reported by multiple corporate media sources, including Reuters. The wikipedia page about this event survived for 6 days. by Robin in DownTheMemoryHole

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I remember that. Totally thought the whole Gary Webb thing might still blow up huge. But we also had Stealth bombers flying across the country with armed nukes and Obama needed to beat Hillary needed to beat McCain.

Man, McCain would have made such a great President.

Chelsea Manning Is Still In Jail by TheWebOfSlime in news

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Are these sorts of sanctions typical?

Japan Now 4th Largest Military, Ahead of Israel by thefadd in news

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Fair, and to be fair, few countries that depend on the US hardly need a military.

Very smart move by Trump telling Japan they needed to do more of their own military defense. Somewhat surprised Obama didn’t do it but I’ll admit I don’t know the politics there. The whole area, Taiwan, North Korea, China, makes a whole lot more sense to me now.

Japan's officer/senior NCO to enlisted ratio is the opposite of most armies, so with a draft and a few months training, the Japanese Self-Defense Force would be much bigger.

Well, they’d need a population of young people, first — /sarcasm not sarcasm.

The amount of propaganda on the internet over the last few days has been crazy by magnora7 in whatever

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The good thing about China is that the US is having all these disagreements strictly through trade. These are the two most important economies in the world and they are intertwined in extremely complicated ways. There are simply too many people who would lose too much money to see millions of Chinese die in a war with America.

The only way war with China happens in anything close to the near term is if China attempts to take Taiwan and then China retaliates against US assistance to Taiwan. And the world would absolutely be forced to intervene because Japan would have no choice but to intervene on Taiwan’s behalf.

Even this would just be a proxy war, though, fought on Taiwan. People forget Japan’s interest in such a conflict but China does not. Once they get Hong Kong under their boot, it’s possible China may begin to turn their attention toward Taiwan. Their invasion would have to be insanely fast and overpowering, however, which would be nearly impossible given the western mountain region that is more impenetrable than Afghanistan and the fact that every single man, woman, and child in Taiwan is 100% prepared for invasion and regularly participates in invasion drills.

And the US and South Korea would likely make it a two front war by bombing every single North Korean to death.

The amount of propaganda on the internet over the last few days has been crazy by magnora7 in whatever

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Plastic.com was an original news and discussion site predecessor to reddit. The second of its kind after the original grand daddy of them all slashdot. Carl Stedman purchased the site from Automatic Media after AM failed to survive the ‘01 dot-com crash. There were many of us who complained about karma farming even back then (2006).

Since Carl was running the entire site himself, there were often month long outages with no notice to most of the community. During a particularly acute outage, I organized a team that designed an alternative discussion site which was never as popular but always had excellent discussions while it lasted because of a small number of dedicated users who relatively knew one another without ever having met. Actually I guess once upon a time some of us might have met at meetups.

To bring it back to the karma farming point. This was a major concern of ours. On Plastic.com, comments could only range from -1 (or something like that) to a max of five stars. But karma accumulated uncapped based on both comments and submissions (I forgot if they were capped as well or if you even got points for them). I will say, on Plastic, you had to reach certain thresholds in order to see the karma of those at or below your threshold. So, if your karma was 2692, anyone with 7,500, 9,000, or 24,000 karma just looked to you like they had 5,000 karma.

For the alternative site, we developed a formula wherein your score was also capped to reflect an approximate average of the score of your submissions/comments. I say approximate because part of the formula included slowly allowing older karma to expire away from the score.

Alternatively, as I’m thinking about it, what might be a good idea is to make karma increasingly difficult to attain, the more of it you attain. Diminishing returns as it were.

I never did like reddit’s Scoring system. It was supposed to “democratize” things but an insightful user could always tell from the beginning that it was just going create a race to the bottom.

I strongly prefer this site’s scoring system where all the votes are transparent. A typical heavy user who just wants to come chat and exchange ideas every day typically will care somewhat about having their score reflect their contributions but they won’t care about it to the degree that someone trying to game the system through karma farming will care.

The brilliance of the chan’s is that there are no rewards except to the degree that you’re able to distinguish yourself and become recognized through your writing style. The downside, of course, is that without at least nominally rewarding quality content, you get a ton of shitposting and trolling.

So, yeah, I think a formula that reasonably throttles karma accumulation is your answer.

The other thing that both Plastic.com and our alternative site had was a submission queue. This meant that every article submission had to go through an approval process. This, in and of itself was always somewhat controversial but when it worked, it worked well. Site members with a high enough karma score could vote and provide short feedback to submitted articles.

Editors then, at their own prerogative (supposedly taking guidance from users), would then accept or deny a write up. Sometimes write ups might be revised and resubmitted 3, 4, and 5 times. Obviously this puts a lot of onus on editors to be timely about things people want to discuss as they happen. And editors could and would simply approve things without feedback if they were timely and well down.

Of course this led to charges of favoritism and cabals etc but it also gave power users some sense of ownership over the site when used well. This also made for more of a magazine style since even important articles might take too long to come out but then the discussion might continue for a week.

Tom Petty - Don't Come Around Here No More by [deleted] in 80s

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Fuck Tom Petty.

Wearing mask in public to become illegal under proposed law by dcjogger in politics

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fuck liberals

This video of Sandy Hook actor Robbie Parker is almost scrubbed completely from the internet and gets harder to find each year by Orangutan in conspiracy

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zyx is that you? sure sounds like you. good to see you, if so!