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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't try and claim to the world you know something about the health risks of taking these drugs when you haven't walked in those shoes.

This would be relevant if we were talking about my opinion. But we're taking about the coroner Andrew Baker, MD, and the critical care pulmonary specialist Dr. Martin Tobin.

But I'm curious about your claim that you've had high levels of meth and opiates in your system in poor health: did you die, or was no one kneeling on your neck?

Your whole argument is 'what some bystander saw' which means fuck all.

Ffs. The witness I'm talking about wasn't a fucking bystander. I mean the expert witness for the prosecution, specifically Dr. Tobin.

And the coroner.


Your claim appears to be that the reason your know he would have died in the car, is that you can tell from the video because you've had high levels of meth and opiates in your system in poor health, therefore you know more about it than the medical professionals and the coroner.

Is that a correct statement of your argument?

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expert witnesses could see in the video.

You selectively listen to some people who watched a video over others who watched the same video. Having a job title doesn't remove bias. An expert witness is less likely to sacrifice his career and safety by publicly stating they have any judgement that doesn't fall in line with the raging mob of delirious rioters ready to lynch the first person to back the idea George wasn't a saint.

we're taking about the coroner Andrew Baker, MD, and the critical care pulmonary specialist Dr. Martin Tobin.

There was no physical evidence of asphyxia or physical assault. The wording on the autopsy report was a judgement call, not concrete fact. It also alluded to multiple drug intoxication, something you are intent on ignoring.

The witness I'm talking about wasn't a fucking bystander.

Who has about as much visual data as a bystander. But the guy was clearly over stimulated and twitchy, his behaviour was not that of a sober man.

therefore you know more about it than the medical professionals and the coroner.

Failing to disregard the massive levels of drugs in his system, erratic behaviour and the fact that he had both heart disease and tested positive for COVID, I have a fucking strong suspicion that there was slightly more to his health condition than lying on the floor, yes. Is that really too difficult for you to comprehend?

Is that a correct statement of your argument?

I have had COVID, it caused shortness of breathe. I have overdosed on entactogens, it caused psychosis. I have overdoses on stimulants, it caused tachycardia and tightness of chest, reduced blood oxygenation, fluctuating blood pressure and disorientation. I have experienced serotonin syndrome which nearly killed me, twice. I have taken over 50 drugs, most of which were novel stimulants, and I recognise the side effects and behaviours of someone intoxicated and judge the man to have been intoxicated. I have had poor health while intoxicated and judge that had I had COVID when I overdosed, I would be dead. Do I think Floyd would have died without police arriving on the scene that day considering my experienced view of the circumstances? Yes. Was the autopsy vague? Yes, it didn't explicitly say Chauvin murdered him, but there were complications which led to his death. Had he been a sober, healthy man, he would not have had difficulty breathing when sat in a squad car. Your obsession with blood lust for Chauvin is blinding you to the obvious, that the man was on a path to self destruction, had previous overdose history and was showing signs that he was overdosing again, which puts him at risk of injuring himself, police officers or members of the public. As a violent criminal known to have carried offensive weapons previously, most people would agree that restraint is the most appropriate route to subdue a person who is a risk to the public. Let's also not forget that the position he was put in was a part of the mandatory training for these officers

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You selectively listen to some people who watched a video over others who watched the same video.

Nope. Watched some of the trial.

Failing to disregard the massive levels of drugs in his system

The coroner soon not disregard the drugs in his system.

Do I think Floyd would have died without police arriving on the scene that day considering my experienced view of the circumstances? Yes.

Luckily there was an autopsy. So the jury didn't have to rely on what you think.

Was the autopsy vague?

Not that vague:

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide

Most people would say straightforward.

Yes, it didn't explicitly say Chauvin murdered him,

It did explicitly say the manner of death was homicide.

As a violent criminal known to have carried offensive weapons previously, most people would agree that restraint is the most appropriate route to subdue a person who is a risk to the public.

The violent criminal was issued the weapons by the Minneapolis Police Department. He did have a violent history, with 18 complaints that were entered into his record, and he had shot 3 people, one of whom died.

Let's also not forget that the position he was put in was a part of the mandatory training for these officers

Ah, the bullshit, 3 people kneeling on you mandatory position?

"Hey, this guy's lost consciousness, but can you get over here and kneel on him too? We've only got two of us crushing the life out of him, and we don't want to be non-compliant"

Police guidelines instructed officers, at the first possible opportunity, to turn people on their sides once they were handcuffed and under control to avoid “positional asphyxia". Training manuals also instructed officers to be attentive to whether a suspect was having difficulty breathing.

https://apnews.com/article/was-officer-knee-on-george-floyd-neck-authorized-639cab5a670173ea9cc311db4386abf2

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Remember the next time a criminal with a violent history approaches you in a crazed state, to advise any police enforcement in the area to give the criminal a pillow and some warm milk and cookies. You utter maniac. It's an insult to all those who have been injured or killed by people like Floyd.

So basically, any time something is written on paper, you believe every word and do not challenge it or question it? Only a couple of years ago, you'd have been fighting to have his type of death recorded as COVID because "muh newspaper told me to".

At least when debating with others, they provide some substance and approach to their position. It's never worth the time with you as your position is always the same. "This guy said something", or "retard study shows this". Grow a fucking independent thought out your skull and I might have a margin of respect for you. Until then, you can fuck off with your "someone else's opinion". It's people like you who let violent criminals out to rape and murder the innocent while allowing the police officers to get stabbed in jail for trying to protect the innocent. Liberal logic 101.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember the next time a criminal with a violent history approaches you in a crazed state, to advise any police enforcement in the area to give the criminal a pillow and some warm milk and cookies.

In Floyd's case that wouldn't have worked because the Chauvin wouldn't give himself milk and cookies, since if he had them to give, he would already have them.

It's an insult to all those who have been injured or killed by people like Floyd.

Chauvin had injured at least 18 that ended up on his report. And he'd killed 2.

Of the two of them, he was by far the worse.

So basically, any time something is written on paper, you believe every word and do not challenge it or question it?

Not at all. I can tell most of what you're writing is bullshit.

At least when debating with others, they provide some substance and approach to their position

In this thread I've shown what you're saying is bullshit by linking to a newspaper article about police procedures, and quoting the press release from the coroners office about George Floyd's homicide, and the corner's report itself.

You've just said wrong stuff that for all the evidence you've supplied, are products of your own fevered imagination.

So it's an impressive display of lack of reflexivity to get on sime high horse about quality of debate.

You've offered nothing.