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[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

You feel the need to write the comment, but you don't feel the need for it to be understood?

Why don't you close the loop and not comment?

[–]maryslamb 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

You are an atheist, by choice, and so God has closed your eyes permanently so that you can never see his beautiful light and love.

If I try to explain things of god to a deaf and blind man would be like trying to foxtrot with a wild monkey.

I may as well be screaming at a tornado.

Your eyes will remain closed and your ears will remain covered until God opens them.

I can not make you see and hear.

What was your question again?

Please rephrase your question for me?

[–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You are an atheist, by choice,

No, by reason. I see that as we have learned more and more about the world, we know that things we used to attribute to god have physical mechanisms.

and so God has closed your eyes permanently so that you can never see his beautiful light and love.

Really?

Why would he do that, do you think?

If I try to explain things of god to a deaf and blind man would be like trying to foxtrot with a wild monkey.

And yet you still comment about your all powerful imaginary friend to hongkongphooey. You seem to be inconsistent about this.

What was your question again?

The question is "Why are you trying to foxtrot with a wild monkey?"

But that's the proximal problem. The distal problem is questioned by "How can a rational person be religious in the modern world?"

I'm guessing lack of interest and excitement in the world?

[–]maryslamb 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Instead of throwing at me several questions that can only create endless debate debate debate...

If you should ever find that you have a real question for me, unlike your questions above that can serve no real purpose...

just fyi, i am a fairly well educated minister and counselor.

https://youtu.be/6k0JeEKR3Do

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

just fyi, i am a fairly well educated minister and counselor.

How did you fall so out of love for the world that you'd ignore what it tells us, substituting man made beliefs that are both limited and boring? (To say nothing of obviously wrong, and generally unethical and cruel)

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

If you should ever find that you have a real question for me, unlike your questions above that can serve no real purpose...

Here's a few about your personal belief you may find a theological response that interests you:

The Bible says the world was created in 7 days, do you think this to be literally true?

The Bible supports slavery. Do you?

Jesus says nothing about gays. Do you see gay marriage as any less that het marriage?

The Bible says that if you rape someone, they have to marry you if you pay their father fifty shekels of silver. Do you have a daughter?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The Bible says the world was created in 7 days, do you think this to be literally true?

Maybe, but there's no reason it has to be. I am not convinced of evolution though, there's just not any good evidence for it imo. There are apes and humans, what happened to the half-ape-half-humans? Not even a fossil remains.

The Bible supports slavery. Do you?

By 1500 BC standards that would probably be seen as very restrictive on the rights of slave owners. Slavery is not spoken of in positive terms. Nor can the Old Testament possibly be literal if one accepts the New Testament.

Jesus says nothing about gays. Do you see gay marriage as any less that het marriage?

I believe that all marriage is less than ideal, as he says.

The Bible says that if you rape someone, they have to marry you if you pay their father fifty shekels of silver. Do you have a daughter?

I'm pretty sure it says you have to marry them if they consent.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

There are apes and humans,

Not exactly. Apes are primates with no tail. Including the great apes: Humans, Chimps (both species), Gorillas (both species), and orangutans (are there 2 species of them too now? I remember an article about a frizzy species, or sub species), and Gibbons (20 species).

So humans are apes. But not all apes are humans.

There are apes and humans, what happened to the half-ape-half-humans? Not even a fossil remains.

What? Or nearest existent relatives are chimps.

The fossil record has described 7 species of the genus australopithecus, and at least 11 species of the genus homo that are closer to us than chimps are.

Slavery is not spoken of in positive terms.

They're big into a slave should obey his master in thought as well as deed. It didn't come across as negative to me.

I believe that all marriage is less than ideal, as he says.

Is gay marriage in any way less ideal for being gay?

I'm pretty sure it says you have to marry them if they consent.

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/22-29.htm

No mention of her consent.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

They're big into a slave should obey his master in thought as well as deed. It didn't come across as negative to me.

They're big on humble submission and loving your oppressor, but not being an oppressor yourself.

Is gay marriage in any way less ideal for being gay?

Not that I'm aware of, unless the couple wants children.

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/22-29.htm

No mention of her consent.

It says he can't divorce her.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Not that I'm aware of, unless the couple wants children.

Okay, good. You're a new testament kind of guy.

It says he can't divorce her.

It doesn't say she has to consent. But that's all old testament. It also says gays should be put to death. And people who disobey their parents.


Here's a list of some of the more major human evolution fossils from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils A lot of people would conclude that most of them exist.


The bible says that the Jews escaped from slavery in Egypt. Archaeology finds early Jewish settlements indistinguishable from Canaanite settlements, except for the lack of pig bones in the rubbish pits. Meaning the construction methods were closely related to Canaanite, the pottery was in the Canaanite tradition, the alphabet was an early form of Canaanite, and their cult objects were similar to those for the Canaanite supreme god, El.

Do you think that the Jews were from Egyptian origin?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It doesn't say she has to consent.

The emphasis is on the rapist not being allowed to divorce his victim, and thus he is obligated to support her (because that's how it worked in those days). It shouldn't need to specify that she has to consent, it's just common sense. These are not modern legal codes with all their technicalities.

It also says gays should be put to death.

It says gays who do anal sex are to be put to death, not all gays. Ejaculating in the anus is a grossly unsanitary act that causes STDs, and many avoid it for this reason. Also the death penalty chapter 20 is clearly a forgery plagiarizing chapter 18, which simply prohibits those actions and says nothing about punishment.

Here's a list of some of the more major human evolution fossils

I have seen some of the claimed evolution fossils. But they all look to me like merely earlier versions of the same species, not in-betweens of different ones. Also, they are so scare that it's possible they are from deformed specimens. I don't deny microevolution, but going from bacteria to humans is such a stretch. And even then, the question of existence is still unanswered. Where did those first bacteria come from?

The bible says that the Jews escaped from slavery in Egypt. Archaeology finds early Jewish settlements indistinguishable from Canaanite settlements, except for the lack of pig bones in the rubbish pits. Meaning the construction methods were closely related to Canaanite, the pottery was in the Canaanite tradition, the alphabet was an early form of Canaanite, and their cult objects were similar to those for the Canaanite supreme god, El.

Do you think that the Jews were from Egyptian origin?

I think they are Canaanites. Exodus is cryptic scripture about the matrix, it's full of gnostic themes. Prophets and spirituals created an epic in attempt to communicate truths that can't be expressed in human terms or were not understood in their time. This was a common technique in ancient literature.